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I don't see why calling for a ceasefire is such a non-starter. Everyone there can go back to work butchering each other more effectively if they are well rested.
The entire country of Israel wants to build back their military reputation for deterrence. Opposing political parties got together to back their military response. Plus, almost everyone in Israel knows someone killed or captured by Hamas, that's why it was 15 9/11s or whatever. There is no high minded worry about peaceful ideals when your kid was killed by Hamas.
I'm against all the killing and especially of civilians, I think the US should and is pushing for a ceasefire, but I also see why it isn't working. It's not because the administration isn't trying hard enough, it's because nothing will stop the fighting until Israel achieves at least some of its goal for destroying Hamas and building back the deterrence.
It's also because the administration isn't trying hard enough. Reagan stopped the bombing of West Beirut with a phone call. Biden should at least be able to get Israel to follow the rules of war if he threatens them with cutting aid. Also these are 1200 people in a population of 10 million. I find it very hard to believe that most people know someone who was killed or captured.
Yeah, but Biden knows that if he cuts aid, the vocal Jewish/Israel/Zionist lobby will freak the fuck out.
So what's the catch?
And israel will destroy hamas, much like all terrorist organizations have been destroyed in the past.
Hamas’ popularity with the people and their allies is really low right now. A victory (cease fire) corrects that for them
And also your second part, it’s a lot easier for them to attack Israel if they aren’t expecting it
Israel and Palestine don’t gain anything from a ceasefire unless negotiations take place
Convince me that the US Government should help Hamas, which is what a ceasefire does.
No.
Well I guess you just answered why calling for a ceasefire is such a nonstarter lmao
No.
Why even type out your original comment?
Engaging with IDF sea lions on their terms is a waste of time. The point of the ceasefire is to relieve civilians in Gaza. Israel is about 10X worse than Hamas in terrorist terms by now. They have lost any moral authority they ever had.
There are other ways to relieve civilians. A ceasefire is a win for Hamas, which is why it is a non starter.
Well, I'm paying for it so I'm calling for a ceasefire
This guy is banking points on your stupidity, and even out-arguing you.
The other guy asked a question then refused to discuss his question There hasn't even been a discussion, let alone an argument.
I think it is because if the Israelis kill a lot of people in Gaza right now, they can later say it is because they were hot-headed and not planning things properly (which they should do anyways, so it doesn't really matter). If they stop now, and go back to attacking again later, they can't say that anymore.
Every side have their own agenda. Every now and then stars align.
If you go back 3-4 decades, you’ll notice a pattern.
This might genuinely be what does Biden in in 2024.
Yes, because whomever Biden loses to will DEFINITELY have a different policy on Israel that couldn’t possibly be worse in every measure.
You're right, but when people are disillusioned with the democratic process they just don't vote, and this does outsized damage to democrats.
And theyre more likely to listen to the astroturfing trolls on this platform and others.
Doesn't matter; people aren't very rational.
Israel is supporting Ukraine. Ukraine and Israel funding in the US congress seems tied together. Guess who want's Ukraine's funding cut? Trump's boss.
Doesn't matter, people aren't very rational.
His admin got the 4hr pauses, they are absolutely getting a ceasefire by the time of the election in 2024.
It does him in because it hasn’t been demanded of Israel beginning in the first week of the genocide. Yes, this is a genocide perpetrated by the Israelis, and the majority of us do not want our taxpayer dollars funding it. Biden the war hawk acts as if there’s no other choice, and he’s clearly wrong about that.
That said, it would be 100% Biden’s MO to get the ceasefire sometime next year after hundreds of thousands more civilian casualties and call that a “win.” Pathetic, dinosaur, loser.
Biden was a darling of the Israel lobby for most of his career. His Vice Presidency was a fig leaf thrown to satiate them into supporting Obama's presidential run, since Obama was known for openly recognizing the situation and even attended pro-Palestine events and lectures.
Americans don't really have a say in their foreign policy, it's basically whatever the military industrial complex decides is in America's best interest.
Hopefully.
Suuuuure lol.
Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.
-- Winston Churchill
Not sure about the always part.
*Always TRY
I mean...if they release the hostages I'm sure they'd ceasefire. But releasing them all from weeks of rape and torture isn't on the table for Hamas so the Israelis will keep going till they're recovered or dead probably.
The whole world is tired of Israel's shit.
this post was submitted on 16 Nov 2023
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