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[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 138 points 1 year ago

Are Republicans already unironically upset that the majority of examples of misinformation are from conservative sources?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

I honestly hope that isn't true, even if left wing sources are harder to find. This is a case where I believe showing 'both sides' is necessary. It's less likely that they will be duped by people on the left, but it is still possible and they need to be aware of that.

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

I don't like the idea of having to provide an equal amount of examples from 'both sides' when that isn't matching reality, on an issue specifically affecting one political party more than the other (or maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine, I don't know). There are misinformation examples from probably every part of the political spectrum, but they should be exemplified proportionally. Showing the reality, which is that a majority of fake news is generated by conservative sources, is important.

[-] sleepdrifter@startrek.website 33 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I recall someone from the BBC saying something similar when it came to covering Brexit. It would take their producers days to find a credible, coherent voice that was pro-Brexit, while the anti-Brexit folks were basically lined up to voice their reasoning. That dichotomy was never revealed to listeners and caused some strife amongst the news team as it seemed disingenuous to present both sides as equal

[-] s_i_m_s@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

as it seemed disingenuous to present both sides as equal

Because it is.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

and it serves no purpose but to minimize right wing political terrorism.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

It shouldn't be about who is doing it more, it should be about how to recognize propaganda. Propaganda can come from any side of the political spectrum. Saying "they do it more" doesn't help when just trying to teach the basics.

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It isn't about who is doing it more, it's about giving examples. Those examples have to come from somewhere, and if you aren't cherrypicking...those examples are going to skew in one direction, which is the original complaint I was anticipating.

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[-] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

But propaganda and fake news are different things. Propaganda can be made up but it doesn't have to be, it can be (and frequently is) entirely truthful. If there's a class on spotting fake news, and it's any good, it will note that distinction.

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

The issue with not having this be "both sides" is some people won't learn from it if they feel targeted. However, those are also the people who need it most. They need to learn to recognize bad media, and then when they actually go to apply it they'll realize how bad most of the stuff on the right is.

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[-] Gloomy@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn't answer your question completely, but apparently conservatives are more likley to belive fake news.

Here is a quote from a study with a lot of links to related works.

In particular, Grinberg, Joseph, Friedland, Swire-Thompson, and Lazer [[42], p. 374] found that “individuals most likely to engage with fake news sources were conservative leaning.” Indeed, political bias can be a more important predictor of fake news believability than conspiracy mentality [43] despite conspirational predispositions playing a key role in motivated reasoning [44]. Perhaps because of this, an important body of research has examined whether conservatism influences fake news believability [45,46]. Tellingly, Robertson, Mourão, and Thorson [47] found that in the US liberal news consumers were more aware and amenable to fact-checking sites, whereas conservatives saw them as less positive as well as less useful to them, which might be why conservative SM users are more likely to confuse bots with humans, while liberal SM users tend to confuse humans with bots [48]. In particular, those who may arguably belong to the loud, populist and extremist minority wherein “1% of individuals accounted for 80% of fake news source exposures, and 0.1% accounted for nearly 80% of fake news sources shared” ([42], p. 374).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378720622001537#bib0045

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[-] Synthead@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Credibility works in mysterious ways

[-] jopepa@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

News is supposed to tell you what happened not how to feel about it. When you notice an article is using a lot of emotionally charged language, that’s a good sign to check the facts (if there are any)

[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Realistically, any piece of information is reported from a point of view. It is published following an editorial line, tinted by an opinon or an alter motive. This is why you should always consider the source of the information and if you really need to know, crosscheck with multiple independant sources.

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[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 58 points 1 year ago

Internet shizzos will believe this is indoctrination and brainwashing

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

They already think that about science class

[-] rckclmbr@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago

I still remember a 2 day assignment we had of finding scientific articles, and classifying them as trustworthy or not. Ie, was it in a peer reviewed journal vs a study at a "clinic" that has bias in the outcome. I remember that to this day and feel like it was a major shift toward my ability to think critically

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

I know adults who need to take that class.

[-] Moshpirit@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The mafia is poisoning kids through oranges with HIV!!1!11!

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[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I can already hear Republicans writing up a ban on this type of class in Florida.

[-] Kase@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Shortcut is to just include it under their definition of CRT

...a bit like how California classified bees as fish, except that was for conservation and this would just be evil lol

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nearly every act of racism, bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia ever committed has been committed by conservatives.

We should be teaching our children why it is immoral to do business or keep relationships with conservatives.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

fully expect the entire right wing media aparatus to be demonizing this as something ridiculous as brainwashing kids against facts and truth, and "LIBERALS REQUIRE FORCED INDOCTRINATION TO MAKE KIDS ACCEPT THEIR LIES".

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[-] ExLisper@linux.community 23 points 1 year ago

Is this real? I can't tell.

[-] nrezcm@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Should move to California. I hear they're teaching about how to tell if something is real or not.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Can't believe everything you hear I'm afraid

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I hear that you can

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 20 points 1 year ago

Thinking critically about internet content

Random confession bear meme on the board

"Ok class. What are some things wrong with this meme? Samantha?"

"It's not actually confessing anything?"

"Correct!"

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Really bad news for the MAGAs.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

it'll be illegal in 3...2...

[-] LoyalOrange503@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Something we need, not just in schools but outside as well.

[-] Navarian@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

This, frankly, is an incredible move. Hopefully us Europeans take notice and consider implementing something similar.

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So what is this: Research, learning logical fallacies and critical thinking OR Trust the government, authority and sanctioned 'experts'? 🤔

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[-] sugarfree@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If they believe 500 were killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza they must fail the class immediately xD

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago

That depends on which of the several bombed hospitals you're talking about.

[-] sugarfree@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm talking about the Al-Alhi hospital. Hamas terrorists claimed 500 people died around 10 minutes after the explosion took place in the parking lot. Meanwhile, Israel is still identifying bodies from the October 7th terror attacks.

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

hospitals do have lists of patients and staff though… and they’re usually centralised… so it’s pretty easy to tally up a rough estimate for who was in a hospital at a given time

sure, hamas is full of shit: they lie about loads of things… but having quick numbers for who died when a hospital was destroyed is far from unlikely… let’s make sure we accuse people of the right things and not make the disinformation worse aye?

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[-] wahming@monyet.cc 10 points 1 year ago

Hamas terrorists claimed 500 people died around 10 minutes after the explosion took place in the parking lot

That 'claim' turned out to have been invented by the media, possibly due to language issues. There was an article a while back about how there's no actual source for the claims that doesn't go in a circle.

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[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Who the fuck ends a comment like that with "xD"

[-] Crampon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It's actually insane how you are getting downvoted when the Hamas' claim is already debunked as being in fact fake news.

Isreal is doing a lot of bad shit, and has been for a long time. But this particular bombing never happened as described by Hamas.

[-] mondo_brondo@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Perhaps it’s because an explosion at a hospital, no matter the cause, isn’t really something to “xD” about.

[-] Sightline@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Exactly right, his comment has the typical shill signature.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

You are refering to western media inventing that claim from a post actually talking about probably up to 500 casualties (dead or injured), aren't you?

If not... here's your chance to not fail the class: show any actual source for that claim that isn't media themselves refering to "we haerd someone said".

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, the same for claims that Israel didn't murder more than ten thousand civilians on a disproportionate response (like a certain world leader did before having to stick his feet into his mouth). Focusing on one instance of disinformation to create a smokescreen for war crimes is disingenuous at best.

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