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submitted 1 year ago by sbv@sh.itjust.works to c/canada@lemmy.ca

“It feels like I’ve been working harder and harder and sliding backwards down the scale,” she says.

Making $50k in a small town and still "scraping by" is scary. Maybe I'm just old, but I'd hoped that kind of income would be enough for some kind of comfort.

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[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Say whatever you want about her spending habits but $35k for a vet tech job is fucking criminal. Why are we paying essentially minimum wage for an extremely high stress job that requires at least two years of schooling??

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I feel like jobs like these are passion jobs. Or employers feel like if it’s something you’re passionate about and care about, then you should be willing to do it for less.

For example, had a few friends work for the Canucks. I’m pretty sure the family who owns Canuck’s are billionaires, but because the people who work there are passionate about the sport and the team, they get away with below living wages for the privilege of just being around.

Obviously not the same, but… yeh. We under pay people who care and feel indebted to their clients and the work they love.

[-] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Game developers seem to get paid very little for something that's very difficult.

At the root i think passion among a great many people for (games, animals, hockey), leads to an oversupply of talent, which leads to depressed wages.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

When I was in college for a CS degree, just about every single classmate I asked said they were planning on going into game dev, when you have entire graduating classes all gunning for the same positions in a relatively niche field, you can pay peanuts and still fill roles

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ah good example! I’m hoping that unions help our game developer friends.

[-] Adramis 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ITT: Crabs in a bucket arguing about how "You could totally climb that wall if you weren't spending so much on avocado toast!" while the water pot next to them starts to boil.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I would like to understand what you are saying.

The "crabs in a bucket" idea refers to:

The analogous theory in human behavior is that members of a group will attempt to reduce the self-confidence of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, jealousy, resentment, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.

How does it apply here? She is not "achieving success beyond the others" and we are not trying to stop her from doing so. Quite the opposite! We are trying to help people who find themselves in a similar position make the best out off the budget they have so that they can make ends meet like we do.

In other words, we are crabs who have gotten out of the debt bucket and are trying to help others come out as well.

The other analogy you seem to be alluding to is the "frog in a pot":

The boiling frog is an apologue describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

What I can tell you from experience is that during periods of hardship, the ability to adapt makes a huge difference and puts you in a much better position mentally and financially when things inevitably get better. Because this too shall pass.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

They are referring to the people in this thread are debating about her spending habits without looking at the bigger picture.

We are the crabs.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Really? What do her bills look like? Is she ordering DoorDash for every meal?

Give me a free house and car, and I could easily live on half that much money.

EDIT: Here's what the article says. This looks like a pretty random budget, and the house was not free as the headline suggests.

Her typical monthly expenses:

Investments: $0

Savings: $0

Pensions: $0

Taxes: $415 in monthly tax deductions

Household: $2,175

Mortgage: $1,162.70

Utilities: $233

Hydro: $165

Internet: $135

Property tax: $216

Property insurance: $184

Phone bill: $80

Transportation: $384

Car repairs: $50

Car insurance: $184

Gas: $150

Food and drink (total): $520

Groceries: $400

Eating out: $60

Coffee/tea: $20

Alcohol: $40

Miscellaneous (dental, clothing, other shopping, nails, hair, spa etc) - $680

Her cats: $350 (food, meds and litter)

Haircuts/cosmetics: $150

Prescriptions: $100

Dental: $0 this year

Clothing: $50

Apps: $30

Vacations: $0

Hobbies/recreation: $0

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago

Maybe you agree with this, but where's the fat? Is a vet not allowed to have pets? It's still a barebones budget.

And the thing to realize about high stress professional jobs is that you have to eat out more and make use of services to save time and energy. It's a tough demanding job, especially for the pay. There's a reason why vets have amongst the highest suicide rates of any profession.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Vet techs too (family member manages a vet hospital) with the suicide risk.

There are so many frustrated, worried people coming in who don't understand the vet is busy doing so much with so few staff and the reason your appointment has been bumped is because the vet is gone, either left the city, the profession or this plane of existence. All too often the last option, and everyone's working through the fall-out.

And vets largely don't see people unless during the exam with an animal; the rest of the time its vet-techs or reception/admin staff. And people lose their metric shit at appointment changes, bad news, or even the bill (because it's always high; get insurance, kids). Admins and techs take the full Karen tornado, which while understandable is still not justifiable. Not cool.

So they shed a customer and sometimes they lose staff too. And they're no longer losing the slackers who don't care about animals: they're losing the animal nuts whose hearts used to be in it. Sometimes those people leave this life as well. It's that bad, that often, for that long.

So yeah, they blow off a lot of steam and leverage those social peer bonds, and I don't see that pressure valve here. You're either gonna spend money on frivolity, psyche sessions, or worse. So those numbers need to be higher for the short term.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Her utilities are higher than my 3 bedroom house's. Phone bill is a bit high, Internet bill is double what it should be, property tax and insurance are high, haircuts, cosmetics, shopping all could be reduced. The cat bill is ridiculous, unless those are some sick pets with long term illnesses or she has about 30 normal ones.

Bottom line is that is not the budget of someone who's "Struggling" in life. Struggling would be not having the money to do half the things on that budget.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Thanks for informing the group that you’re out of touch and don’t know what you’re talking about.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Whatever, I'm the one who's out of touch but I have a very good budget and all my bills are paid. Do you own a house? Because I do and I manage all the household bills and I do know how to make ends meet on a budget.

You are free to ignore my info at your own risk.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Do you own that on the mentioned vet's salary?

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I bought it when I was making about $40k salary actually

[-] baconisaveg@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

$135 for Internet and $80 for mobile is criminal. I pay $130/month for internet, but that's for high speed fiber, because I work from home as a software engineer. I also only pay $35/month for mobile after switching to Virgin because Telus' prices are insane.

I miss living in California and paying $20/month for Google Fi.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Her typical monthly expenses:

  • Internet: $135
  • Phone bill: $80
  • Car repairs: $50
  • Car insurance: $184
  • Gas: $150
  • Groceries: $400
  • Eating out: $60
  • Coffee/tea: $20
  • Alcohol: $40
  • Her cats: $350 (food, meds and litter)
  • Haircuts/cosmetics: $150
  • Apps: $30

Ok, she doesn't have an income problem, she has a spending problem.

The internet + phone bill of over $200 a month is insane! She can negotiate/switch her internet bill to at least half that. And she can switch her cell phone to something like public mobile for 1/4 of what she's paying now.

Car repairs, gas, insurance... if you can bike in your small town, this will save you a fortune. Also, consider switching to CAA's pay-as-you-go insurance, which works incredibly well if you also bike.

Food... way, WAY overspending here. $400 a month could feed a family of four, so that needs to be looked at. And "eating out, coffee, alcohol" should be cut completely if she's struggling.

Her cats... well, pets are a money pit. This will always keep her debt.

Haircuts/cosmetics. I'm not a lady, so I can't say whether this is a typical expense or not, but unless she makes a living based on her appearance, this should be trimmed (no pun intended) to a more reasonable level.

Apps... I'm going to assume these are subscription services totalling $30 a month. Insane. Cut those out unless absolutely necessary.

If someone can help her budget, she could easily be saving $500+ a month with little effort.

$50k for an individual living in a small town should have her living like a queen.

[-] baconisaveg@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

You're missing the point. Someone who does well in school and has a decent job requiring advanced education should not be struggling to make ends meet in a first world country.

[-] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, even if she trimmed her expenses (which I agree is possible, though I don't know much about Canada) she would still not be living a "good" life despite being well educated, and fully employed with stable housing. She would be living a safe, healthy and financially functional, but it would not be a sustainable, happy, and enjoyable life, and her savings contributions would be not be enough to give her financial independence without some serious investments.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

She would be living a safe, healthy and financially functional, but it would not be a sustainable, happy, and enjoyable life

As somebody living modestly, I'm laughing at this. It seems like people either overestimate how much satisfaction they get from their expenses, or they underestimate the peace of mind that comes from living within your means. I suspect it's mostly the former.

[-] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Living modestly isn't the same as trimming off all the fat to prioritise survival and savings above all else (which is what this vet tech would need to do to really make a difference for her financial state)

I'm on a very similar income ($36,000AUD) in a country with similar issues surrounding housing, and a quickly rising cost of living crisis. I'm not sure about her exact area, my cousin's in Edmonton, so that's my main reference point.

I live within my means and other than a student loan, I have no debt. But I also have no property and no real assets beyond the everyday items I need for work (laptop, phone, my bicycle)

It is very comforting and peaceful to live within my means. And I often experience a "simplified joy" in moments where work is calm, my family is happy and I have an afternoon off to take my time and bake this week's meals to keep the grocery budget happy and healthy.

But most of the time work is not calm, work is a major contributor of emotional and physical stress, and taking stress leave isn't quite yet a financial option (until I'm approaching mental health breaking point, which so far so good)

Usually the family isn't happy, I've got chronic health issues, my partner and I both have disabilities, it's vital we maintain chunky emergency funds because our savings disappear quickly when one of us needs to see a specialist (public healthcare in Australia is a mess at the moment) so if we're talking about going to the country for the weekend to have a relaxing holiday we're usually deciding its not worth the petrol, train or accommodation costs when for all we know I could require an urgent doctors appointment tomorrow and we'd wished we'd saved all that money.

We're financially smart in the sense that we are 5-6 big emergencies away from bankruptcy which is so much more than most people in my income bracket. But in our experience we tend to get our emergencies in waves where it's one right after another leading into each other. It's scary.

Fortunately we don't want kids, but if we did, I can't see how we'd do that without majority changes to my income stream.

It's also just exhausting to live on a strict budget all the time. I'm definitely getting fit biking halfway across town 3 times trying to shop at Aldi and veg markets because it's the most affordable grocery option, I'm lucky I'm not time poor, but many people working low wage jobs are. Mentally it's hard keeping track of everything all the time, comparing prices and holding back. It's socially exhausting, having to constantly remind friends that unless it's a free or very low cost outting, we won't be hanging out.

Being out at work and feeling exhausted and headachey and knowing some caffeine would help, but I forgot to pack a zip lock bag of instant coffee, so I'm out of options because that's what's budgeted for. So I finish out my day in pain. Likewise, I had to give up my monthly massages because it was a luxury my budget couldn't bear. It didn't reduce my physical capacity, but it has made my daily pain level higher which makes me less happy.

Small things like that's make me feel tired, frustrated, burnt out and angry that my income is so low.

But then I'll have a moment like today, where I'm harvesting the sunchokes i planted in August, thinking to myself, being poor prompted me to grow these, but having them here to water and watch grow has been so good for my mental health and this is such a rewarding experience.....but I could have also had this experience with money in my pocket.

I was definitely more happy and more comfortable 5 years ago when my same income had a higher buying power so my budget wasn't as tight.

I will never want to live outside my means. But boy howdy the cost of living here means I'm getting close to having to make the real tough decisions (like, do I really need to pay extra for certified allergen free ingredients, or can I gamble on the cheaper brands that "may contain traces of") to avoid blowing my budget.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


She relies on a personal line of credit for unexpected expenses, whether it’s a broken appliance, car repairs or veterinary care for her cats.

In 2013, her parents bought her a 1,200-square-foot semi-detached two-bedroom house in a small Ontario city, a university town.

They have also previously paid off her credit card debt, bought her a used Honda CRV, covered a kitchen renovation and helped with other expenses.

At her job, Caitlyn handles everything from drawing blood, performing X-rays and giving injections to answering phones, doing paperwork and cleaning the office space.

“I think the old-school principle is if you go to school and you get good grades and then you go to post-secondary education … the thought process was then you live comfortably,” she said.

She rarely eats out, makes her coffee at home and has cut back on ordering in and drinking alcohol.


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[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We are a family of four (renting) and we don't spend much more than her living alone. She needs to make some tough decisions if she wants to save some money every month.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Where is the difference in your budgets?

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

The differences are everywhere.

We live in a small apartment and I personally can't see how a single person having budget constraints is living in a house. College towns have plenty of apartments suitable for single people.

We use transit, walking and cycling instead of having a car. She could probably do the same since she lives in a college town.

Our internet & phone bills are much lower because we shopped around and went for a basic plan and cellphones. We don't have pets or other luxuries.

Ultimately, if you have trouble making ends meet you have to start from scratch: what are the bare minimums that you need to be healthy? Housing, transportation, etc.

I understand that some people have trouble accepting that their generation's standard of living is worse than their parents', but their inabiliy to adapt isn't helping them. Most people around the world live much more basic lives than what is common in Canada, and they are able to thrive. They could learn from them.

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