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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by frogman@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

We're reaching the end of an era wherein billions of dollars of investor money was shovelled into tech startups to build large user-bases, and now those companies (now monoliths) are beginning to constrict their user-bases and squeeze for every single penny they can possibly extract. Fair or not.

Now more than ever, it's important for us to step back and reconsider whether we want to be billboards for these companies anymore.

For anyone unfamiliar, some good resources to have when starting your degoogling journey are below:

Privacy Guides - A list of privacy-respecting services you can use.

Plexus - A crowdsourced information bank of service compatibility with degoogled devices.

This random PDF - A study from 2018 detailing data that Google tracks about its' users.

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[-] thayer@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

It's been a long time in the making, but I've finally degoogled and largely removed all proprietary software from my personal life. I know this topic is pretty well covered here and elsewhere so just to add to the list of others, here's where I'm at these days:

  • OS: Fedora Linux (w/ AMD Radeon GPU)
  • Email: Thunderbird w/ hosted email over IMAP
  • Calendar/Contacts: Radicale instance w/ DAVx⁵ on Android
  • Storage: Syncthing
  • Web: Firefox
  • IM: Signal
  • Desktop productivity: LibreOffice when I need it (Collabora Office on Android)
  • Notes: Vim, VS Code (Markor on Android); most of my "docs" are just plain text files written in markdown
  • Passwords: KeepassXC/DX
  • Code editor: Vim, VS Code
  • GrapheneOS on mobile, with almost entirely FOSS apps
  • Kindle e-book reader with management via Calibre
  • Media managed by Kodi with a raspberry pi
  • Proxmox hypervisor for Windows/Linux VMs and containers

Gaming under Linux has improved unbelievably these past few years, now that Steam is contributing with their Steam Deck platform. I used to have to dual-boot Windows to keep up with the latest titles, but I wiped it about a year ago and things have been great.

I still rely on Microsoft Excel and Adobe Photoshop for some tasks, but less so now than ever before. Unfortunately, my work will always be a Windows-dominated environment.

[-] rmicielski@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago

I have to just be sure that you at least know about demicrosofted VS Code, VS Codium

[-] thayer@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Haha I do, and I've used VSCodium in the past. I don't mind using the official release with telemetry disabled (and sandboxed as a flatpak), but may very well switch back if/when Microsoft does anything shady with the project.

[-] PR_freak@vlemmy.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How has a self hosted imap been treating you?

I heard some pretty brutal stories, like big email providers just refusing emails from self hosted servers

[-] dtc@lemmy.pt 3 points 2 years ago

I self-host my own mail server. I don't send many emails, but they seem to be arriving correctly whenever I do at the moment, but it wasn't always like this. I've properly setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC, which helps a lot, but my IP address was blacklisted on some servers from a previous owner I guess. I have a VPS from OVH. I had to manually fill out some forms to get Microsoft Outlook to accept emails from my server. Despite that, it has been working flawlessly. I have my own domain since 2017, and I'd say the age of the domain is also important.

[-] aeternum@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Not OP, but I used to self host email. I gave up because both google and microsoft, the two big players in email, refused to deliver my mail to anywhere but spam/junk. I had DKIM, SPF and DMARC set up, with reverse DNS set up correctly. So I gave up. Now I use a privacy friendly email provider (paid)

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[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

So um…how do I show the lemmyverse that this is a really important post without the shiny meaningless gold coin?

[-] allonsyeet 4 points 2 years ago

Upvote i guess ❤️🍓

[-] sweBers@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Interact, share. Be positive.

[-] cupcakezealot 3 points 2 years ago
[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Just your two cents lol

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

idk. Try writing a poem?

[-] lpslucasps@lemmy.pt 9 points 2 years ago

I used to rely almost exclusively on Google for almost anything online. Fortunately, I'm much less dependent on Google and their services now. I'm even self-hosting some of my own services nowadays!

  • Search engine: Ecosia and DuckDuckGo
  • E-mail: Protonmail
  • File storage: Nextcloud (selfhosted)
  • Online Office Suite: Nextcloud Office (selfhosted)
  • Maps: OpenStreetMaps
  • 2FA App: Aegis
  • Translator: DeepL
  • Notes and Tasks: Obsidian.md
  • Calendar: An actual wall calendar :)

Every single one of these apps/services used to be provided by google, so I think it's safe to say I've come a long way!

Of course, things could be better. I still use Google Contacts for synchronizing my, hum, contacts. I also use YouTube quite a bit, but as a paying customer my experience with it is just fine. I also use gboard on my phone — for bilingual speakers there's just no good alternative, imho. And, finally, I download/update most of my phone apps through Google Play.

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[-] pztrn@bin.pztrn.online 7 points 2 years ago

100% degoogled. Everything is selfhosted, except for Telegram. Even at job :)

[-] thaedrus@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have started to degoogle bits and pieces. I self-host the majority of the services I need and really enjoyed the journey so far since I learned so much. I am approaching the stage in my life where I have less time to spend on personal hobbies so I fear this path may not be sustainable. In my opinions here are the pros and cons.

Pros:

  • Full control of my data
  • Pick the ideal tool from the open source community
  • Learning experience
  • Engagement with community

Cons:

  • Technical knowledge needed to setup and maintain self-hosted tools
  • Self-hosted environments have security risks (best to put everything behind VPN)
  • Disparate tools don't connect together (requires additional automation configuration)
  • Additional costs for services including and not limited to: domain name, email, backup storage, self-host server hardware, VPN, and donations to devs
  • Higher personal downtime due to lacking features, server and service maintenance
  • Time sink to learn, research, general devops of tools, maintenance of server

Key services to name a few:

  • File storage - Nextcloud
  • File sync - Syncthing
  • Office - Nextcloud + Collabora
  • Email - Mailfence
  • Photos - Photoprism

So far there are more negatives than positives, but the positives still outweigh negatives. I do have to say degoogling is getting easier than before.

[-] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

The biggest thing I de-Googled was gmail. I had my own domain already so it wasn't tough to move (to my web hosting provider's included email service).

I switched to Firefox+uBO from Chrome.

They de-Googled RSS for me (now on Newsblur).

Things I still use:

  • Drive for backups (but have a local backup in case their AI bans me)
  • YouTube Premium (I hate ads)
  • Contacts (Cardbook addon for Thunderbird works well with this)
  • Calendar (Thunderbird supports natively)
  • Keep (Shared shopping list)
  • Pixel phone (I don't really care for Apple, either)
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[-] Segin@vlemmy.net 5 points 2 years ago

Outside of work I’ve degoogled with the exception of google calendar (shared family google calendar so that would need to bring everyone along with me!) and unfortunately the google Wi-Fi/nests.

I would like to swap out the google Wi-Fi but it just seems like such a lot of money to waste and they are working at the moment for the mesh Wi-Fi. I’ve just made sure to disable and opt out to as many of the google analytic tracking as possible.

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[-] TeaEarlGrayHot@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've been running my own Nextcloud instance since 2020, which, combined with ProtonMail, has replaced basically everything I was using Google/Microsoft for

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[-] themizarkshow@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I moved off a while ago at this point... I still have to use some of it because of work being on G-Suites but otherwise my personal stuff has moved.

  • Email: Hey & ProtonMail
  • Storage: Dropbox
  • Notes: SimpleNotes & Obsidian.md
  • Chat: Telegram & Matrix/Element
  • 2FA: ProtonPass (as of yesterday, Authy before that)
  • Passwords: 1Password
  • Other: Apple stuff mostly
[-] evilviper@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

How is the proton pass 2FA? I saw they have that it haven't gotten around to switching from Authy yet.

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[-] bug@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Proton's services, Cryptomator, Invideous, GrapheneOS, a handful of apps from f-droid.

Also, quick plug - !privacyguides@lemmy.one is the official Privacy Guides community on Lemmy!

[-] cavemeat@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I have slowly but surely moved everything important off google. My main email is a proton mail now, and I changed my pixel for a oneplus :).

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[-] lividhen@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just switched from Google photos to photoprism. It's pretty awesome! It only took 8 hours to index and label my 17500~ photos (not including the week and a half Google Takeout took). That was the big one for me. Not I am slowly working through all my other google/centralized services and seeing if there are self hosted or decentralized alternatives.

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[-] pastelsquirrel@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

pretty effectively!

I use a Searx instance for searching (with the engine it uses set to DDG), Tutanota for email and Piped/Invidious and Libretube for videos. meanwhile on both my phone and tablet I've used ADB to purge all of Google's malware, and Play Services is outright disabled on my tablet lmao (and contrary to what one might think, the only thing it impacts is I don't get app notifications)

and then I use Aurora Store to update Twitch and Discord, and I use alternatives from F-Droid for stuff like the calendar

[-] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Tried DDG a few times over the years. Sorry, but it just doesn't do it for me. Results were terrible. Google had lots of results and it was just too much effort to keep switching from DDG if it doesn't provide an answer. Because I know Google will.

[-] raptore39@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I have been using DDG as default for probably two years now. I love how I get so few ads and a cleaner experience as well. I absolutely agree Google has better results sometimes and I just use !g at the start of my search to get purely Google results. The search operators are amazing and there are so many!

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[-] code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

LineageOS for microg: degoogled android. DuckDuckGo: search. Firefox: web browser. Ublock origin: ad blocker. Proton: email. OsmAnd+: maps.

Only google product I still use is youtube, but I have made some efforts here:

On desktop pc I use firefox with sponserblock and ublock origin to hide ads and automatically skip sponsered content. I also have an addon called unhook, which hides recommendations, 'people also watched' etc.

I also use and recommend Odysee as a youtube alternative.

On my TV I use SmartTubeNext, on my phone I use revanced.

I host my own music server with navidrome (and my own video media server with Jellyfin). But when I dont have access to that, I also use ViMusic as a youtube music replacement for (degoogled) android.

Can absolutely recommend any and all of the tools I listed.

[-] raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

I use Proton Mail and I set DuckDuckGo as my default search engine. I don't feel like I'm missing much with either, and in fact DDG has been better at finding more relevant stuff. I will occasionally goigle something if I'm trying to get a variety of results from both.

[-] tal@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The problem is that I'm pretty sure that spammers are specifically targeting Google with a lot of their effort because of the size of its userbase.

So DDG or whoever else can be a solution for some, but if they get a big enough userbase, the SEO dollars are going to go towards hitting them too. Leveraging smaller size can't be a fix for everyone.

Kinda like Reddit and the Fediverse. Right now -- and in the past -- there's a limited amount of money in trying to jam spam in front of the userbase's eyeballs on lemmy and kbin. But whenever the userbase grows by a factor of ten, so does the return-on-investment to a spammer in gaming their system. If the entire Reddit userbase collectively moved here tomorrow, the spammers would very quickly follow.

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[-] Rainhall@feddit.online 3 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo got a shoutout from Star Trek: Strange New Worlds this week. Much smoother than Hawaii Five-Oh's "Bing it."

[-] deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

Working on it
Had to give them some money for a Pixel 7, at least it was half off plus a trade-in on the old phone Installed GrapheneOS a couple of days ago

[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As far as my PCs, I use a subscription service for email (fastmail.com). I'm still using the Chrome browser, but at some point I may have to go to Firefox for the sake of my uBlock Origin extension which I rely on heavily. Functionality of that extension on Chrome may be reduced at some point by the forced migration to Google's new extension platform (Manifest V3).

I have to have a Google account for my Android phone. I don't think I'll ever be able to get away from that. I mean you have two choices with phones, Android or iOS. I'm not going anywhere near Apple so Android is it. I've audited all my privacy settings in my Google account to minimize personal data, whether they actually honor those settings or not, who knows.

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[-] sculd@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Basically degoogled except YouTube because content creators are on that platform. Also occasionally needs to use Google search because DDG sometimes doesn't work.

[-] wgs@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

You might want to check invidous, it's a youtube frontend you can use to browse youtube anonymously.

[-] mitexleo@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

90% of my life is degoogled. I'm using Google Play services for some stuff (It doesn't have network access 😶) it my normal profile. My work profile is completely degoogled.

[-] saba@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

I was degoogled until late last year. Then 2 things happened. 1, I got a Fitbit watch, and 2, I started a delivery gig job where I needed play store and google services. Fortunately I might be getting another job soon (got a conditional job offer yesterday) and quitting the delivery since I'm making less money now. Also, looking at getting a different watch. When these things happen, I'll probably reinstall LineageOS without play services and delete the fitbit account (which is soon going to require switching to a google account.)

I have hosted email and nextcloud that I use for storage, calendar, etc. I've lived without google before with no inconvenience and I can do it again.

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[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 2 points 2 years ago

I'm still in the Google android stuff just because of convenience but I have ditched Chrome and Google search. Eventually I would like to do more.

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Currently the only Google services I use are accessed through open-source third-party implementations - in particular, Aurora Store, NewPipe, and SmartTubeNext! That said, nowadays I only use YouTube regularly and sometimes access their play store's servers on the rare occasion that I actually need to install/update a proprietary application.

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