369
submitted 11 months ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de

Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/5574803

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 132 points 11 months ago

I am really tired of this piece of shit getting himself involve in things that he have no remote understanding of.

[-] famousringo@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago

He understands that papa Putin will release the kompromat if he doesn’t say this.

[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 16 points 11 months ago

I'm willing to bet even the people he hires at SpaceX feels the same about any input he offers

[-] Edmund_Across_The_Room@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

But he's smart in one thing so he must be smart in all things?

[-] theolodis@feddit.de 20 points 11 months ago

Name one thing he's actually smart in.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago
[-] Syndic@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Exactly. For a while he was doing really well at selling himself as visionary investing in cool technologies when no one else was willing to. Then he started to comment on shit he really has no idea about and it all went down hill fast. Certainly after the whole insulting a cave rescuer as a paedophile.

[-] CasualPenguin@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago

Spending daddy's money

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago

Exploitation

Learned it from daddy

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Infynis@midwest.social 97 points 11 months ago

His family made their fortune because of Apartheid. It makes sense that he'd sympathize with the occupiers.

[-] Vivarevo@sopuli.xyz 47 points 11 months ago

He is pretty fascist, so its no wonder he sides with them.

[-] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

You can take the Afrikaner out of South Africa, but you can't take the apartheid out of the Afrikaner.

[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 74 points 11 months ago

Ukraine should put him on their list of Russian propagandists

[-] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 63 points 11 months ago

Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck ignorant lazy billionaires. The mega wealthy are ALL the problems wrong with this world.

[-] SitD@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

yep especially the arrogance. sure he can share his wisdom, but maybe first go for an internship in the ukrainian army, little elon 😉 then I'll take it seriously

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Dumbass.

Edit: I mean that billionaire thundercunt. Not you OP. I bet you are fabulous.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

I am so sick of this cunt.

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.

urging the world to 'sympathize with the Russian occupiers'

And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.

Elon Musk's 'advice' to 'stop resisting Russia'

Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.

He “advised” Volodymyr Zelenskyy to abandon the counteroffensive and agree to peace talks with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin

Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.

Source

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 55 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Most of this is just general "war is bad for everyone" and the old "the ones fighting the war aren't the one who want the war". It's true but it's also really nothing new or especially smart.

Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that

This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:

  1. Ukraine is the one deciding for this war to happen
  2. All that would be needed to stop this war would be talking with putin about a truce
  3. Putin attacking Ukraine is sort of a "higher power" like a natural catastrophe that just has to be accepted

It also completely ignores a few things:

  1. The lines are only this stable because Ukrainians risk and lose their lives every day to defend them. Stopping this would mean a truce would be no longer negotiable. Because why would Putin suddenly stop the efforts to move the lines once resistance has stopped?
  2. Putin is the one responsible for Ukrainians going into this war and dying at the frontlines, just as he is responsible for the russian soldiers that are dying there

Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.

Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn't want to fight in this war.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

So, yeah. The article accurately represents the source, based on the quotes you shared. There's a lot more appealing to people's emotions in the source, but he's still saying the same thing.

[-] min0nim@aussie.zone 4 points 11 months ago

Exactly. It’s all sympathy for the devil platitudes.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Tammo-Korsai@kbin.social 44 points 11 months ago

I think he wants Ukraine to fold so he can peddle his shitty inventions to Russia without pesky sanctions getting in the way, whilst styling himself as a great diplomat.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 50 points 11 months ago

That he disabled Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian offensive already showed as much.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

You're giving him way too much credit calling them "his inventions". He didn't invent shit

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 42 points 11 months ago

What a joke of a man

[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

"Stop resisting and just sympathize" is also how Elon Musk got ten kids.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 22 points 11 months ago

No, fucker.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Maybe the rat can visit the front line for a couple of months and see what Russia has done before chiming in.

[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

A day will suffice

[-] MaxPower@feddit.de 19 points 11 months ago

Do humanity a double service and fly to Mars.

And stay there.

[-] mustbe3to20signs@feddit.de 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is, was this POS thought all along and is another proof for his total lack of empathy and inability to think ahead.

The world should sympathise with the idea of sending Muskrat with an one way ticket to Mars.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 16 points 11 months ago

Can we start a movement to incentivize one politician or someone with a lot of representation behind them to simple tell the bird brain to "sit down, shut up and stay still"?

[-] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Just buy something to shoot down his private jet

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

We are civilized people, here. This isn't Russia.

[-] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Exactly that's why we use NATO weapons to do it

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

That is just too quick and painless. Have it seized and baned from flying until further inspection. Rinse, repeat, at least 50 times. Charge him fees for having the plane parked at whatever airport it may be at. Then have the airplane banned of ever flying again.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Resol@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I bet he's gonna buy Channel One Russia next.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 11 months ago

I was going to say, what is he trying to buy/sell in Russia now? Maybe they don't use starlink yet?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] tillimarleen@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago

On the other hand: This news article is crap. why not actually read the interview Musk gave: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-4-transcript After having read the part about Ukraine, my interpretation would rather be: Even an idiot like Musk is able to give a pretty good analysis of what‘s happening in a war like this.

[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The links does not work, but was it really based on that interview?

I think his take on the topic was reasonable - it’s allowed to just not want any more death or suffering on either side - but not realistic.

It was also one sided - you really can’t focus on what Ukraine can do without also saying who started it all and caused the war in the first place. He never mentioned that Russia started it and how easy it is for Russia to stop all suffering and achieve peace. At best you can say he’s given up on Russia, don’t think they’ll change, and try to get Ukraine to stop more suffering. But is that really realistic - did Russia stop after Donetsk in 2014? It’s not reasonable to think it will be different this time. Give Russia peace for 5 years and let them rebuild their strength? They’ll just start again and set target for Kiev.

load more comments (5 replies)
[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

These links does not work. Where is the source?

load more comments (10 replies)
[-] x0chi@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Motha F..... rr

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
369 points (100.0% liked)

Europe

8332 readers
1 users here now

News/Interesting Stories/Beautiful Pictures from Europe 🇪🇺

(Current banner: Thunder mountain, Germany, 🇩🇪 ) Feel free to post submissions for banner pictures

Rules

(This list is obviously incomplete, but it will get expanded when necessary)

  1. Be nice to each other (e.g. No direct insults against each other);
  2. No racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities or glorification of National Socialism allowed;
  3. No posts linking to mis-information funded by foreign states or billionaires.

Also check out !yurop@lemm.ee

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS