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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by gunpachi@lemmings.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

If so what kind of training they would have to go through ? By training I mean the spatial and situational awareness, combat skills (this is kinda unrealistic), enough knowledge to turn any situation to their advantage etc.

Just think of the person as your average joe who financially has nothing to spend on high tech gadgets or state of the art training equipment. And doesn't even have any support from another human being. Basically one has to train from the ground up alone.

Don't limit the answers to just James Bond and John wick, you can even consider any realistically possible superhero or supervillain (like batman or taskmaster) as well.

So what's your take ?

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[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think any secret agent could rival any of those fictional characters. They have incredible plot armor, depending on the scenario. James Bond is an idiot who fucks every woman who moves, even when he knows they're there to trap him, but has a magic dick that hypnotizes them onto his side.

Batman with prep time is an unstoppable force who could take down every army in the world at once if he really needed to.

No, no human can compare to these characters.

[-] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Batman seems like a potentially plausible reality in the future, factoring in a fuck ton of money AND the Batcomputer, one of the most underrated aspects pf the character. Assuming he’s working with next gen tech on the computer you could plausibly consider that the Batcomputer has some incredible AI capabilities that could give his normal power set to a real world person (to a degree). It could make plans, develop new bat gadgets, research, create work out and training regiments, etc etc. Wouldn’t fit for OP’s question but someone could eventually become somewhat of a Batman in the future with enough drive and money.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure I can trust your judgement in this matter, TheDarkKnight.

[-] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Lmao, yeah…these are the things I spend my days thinking about lol

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Hasn't Batman also, in some media, gone blow for blow with Superman-level opponents without dying? Like, he's not as strong as them, and superhuman strength isn't technically a superpower he has, but...

No. Even if you could match the current fictional character's tech and computing power and budget and incoherent physical strength, those really are not what make Batman Batman. It's the intellect, the iron will, the sheer level of badassery that can only be achieved in fiction where an author has him appear behind the villain just to show what an impossible nightmare Batman truly is.

Being able to pretend that he's Bruce Wayne sometimes certainly helps, though. He's a good actor.

[-] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yep! He’s defeated Darkseid even (I mean technically it was a team effort but Batman executes the Coup De Grace).

Idk if Batman could deal with a real world Superman in our plausible semi-future scenario, but some aspects pf the character could for sure be emulated I think at a certain technological point of time :-)

[-] vinceman 1 points 2 years ago

Aka The Green Hornet

[-] amitten@normalcity.life 2 points 2 years ago

Hehe… magic dick.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

This some Mall Ninja Shit.

[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Not even, anyone worth their mall already knows the only step you need to take to achieve this goal is to buy The Katana.

[-] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The act of purchase is equivalent to living 100 years as Roronoa Zoro.

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[-] zeusbottom@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 years ago

John Wick and James Bond and superheroes and supervillains are not realistically possible. Otherwise we would have them.

[-] Froyn@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Bezos and Musk aren't doing us any favors over here.

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 21 points 2 years ago

Well they say its ten thousand hours of practice to master a skill right.

Assuming you already work 8 and sleep 8 travel and maintenance stuff for 2 that leaves you 6 houra a day to dedicate to one aspect of spy craft.

That would take roughly 4 and a half years.

So then you're an expert in firearms

Now you need to learn hand to hand combat so again 10000 hours but you need to maintain currency with firearms so you only have 5 hours a day to practice now it's nearly 5 and a half years to become an expert.

So we're at 10 years to learn gun control and hand to hand combat.

Havent even touched on spatial awareness stuff along with driving flying jet ski riding and seduction.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

Okay, so if you start in your early 20s, you might make it by the time you are in your 50s. We can also use some hours over the weekend. This sounds like a totally doable thing

[-] nevernevermore@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

It’s also way more doable if you quit your current job and find another career that will not only encourage training in these areas, but financially compensate you for it, too.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

What are we waiting for??!?!

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[-] gunpachi@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I guess joining the military may help. Especially since one can get a lot of training with guns there.

As much as I would like to attempt, my chances are close to none because of low vision.

[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Now that would be an interesting movie. You have a guy who really loved action hero movies as a kid and spent his life honing those skills. Not because he really wants to kill anyone, but just because it's fun. He spends his professional career as a mundane office worker until one day a group of terrorists take over his office building and plan on killing everyone inside. He has to fight his way through multiple floors of trained killers to get to the top so he can take down the chief bad guy, The Raid/Judge Dredd style. Realistically, he would definitely die within like 2 minutes from getting shot in the back of the head, but it's still a fun setup for an "unlikely hero" action movie.

[-] jawsua@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

He's a sysadmin and he doesn't do downtime

[-] gunpachi@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

This used to be one my daydreams as a teenager. Except in real life, I couldn't consistently train like I wanted.

After reading Atomic Habits by James clear last year - I realized how much I could have improved during those years had I kept at it.

But just like you said everything can be ended anytime with a single gun shot or some quick stabs from the back.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 2 years ago

Are we in an action movie? In real life both of those gentlemen would die immediately. It's extremely difficult to beat 2 people in a fair fight even for the best fighters, let alone more like in John Wick. James Bond is pretty much a meme for villains that make it really easy for him to escape.

In an action movie... Well, thinking like a writer I guess it would be a bit like the adult version of Home Alone.

In real life, I guess what's the test? If it's bodycount (and morality aside), see every mass shooting. If it's taking down a major organisation from within, see whistleblowers like Edward Snowden. If it's looking really cool see a fitness influencer or something.

[-] devils_advocate@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

it would be a bit like the adult version of Home Alone

Ah. So Skyfall then

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

No, because those characters are fantastical. You can stay in great shape if that's your priority and engage in martial arts and other fighty things, but they take a lot of time and dedication.

[-] Encode1307@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

No, no real human can become as capable as James Bond or John Wick even if they dedicate 24/7 to it.

[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago

Sorry I can't talk about it

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 2 years ago

The closest equivalent I would think of are existing special forces of different militaries.

You first need the physical and mental ability to even be considered. From that, the military will then invest a lot in weapons, combat, and other training.

The closest outside of government training is maybe MMA, but that is only close combat. Even then, people dedicate their entire non-work time for years to get to that level.

[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I remember a video on youtube from a long time ago about an MMA fighter who got into a fight at a bar in, I think, Brazil. There were multiple guys with knives. Know what he did? He fucking booked it and still almost died. The reality is that the reason John Wick and James Bond win fights against multiple armed opponents is because the script demands it. In real life you would die almost instantly against greater numbers or armed opponents, regardless of how well trained you are or if you're special forces or a secret agent. Because you don't have plot armor.

[-] devils_advocate@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Then again, Gurkhas exist.

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[-] SecretPancake@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Their biggest strength, aside from fantasy physical strength, is years and years of experience in the field. You could train every aspect of it individually, in the end it’s all theory. It’s like every other job, only their jobs don’t exist, to the extend that they do it.

I’d say the closest that you could come to it is if you would join the French foreign legion or something.

Another factor that’s missing in the real world are the gadgets and impossible armors. Without that they wouldn’t survive this long.

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 9 points 2 years ago

Their biggest strength is the plot shield

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[-] init@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Not only that, but Bond has an entire agency and thousands of people supporting him and his activities. There really are things you can't do yourself while in a heated situation that have to be done.

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[-] GCanuck@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I remember something a friend said to me once. We were watching an action movie and during a well choreographed sequence I said something about wanting to be able to fight like that. My friend said, “sorry, you’ve only got one life”.

Nothing is impossible, but after a certain point in life, you’re simply unable to achieve that which would take a lifetime to master.

[-] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 10 points 2 years ago

When you say "taskmaster," I assume you don't mean Greg Davies, right?

[-] gunpachi@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

I meant the one from Marvel comics. White costume, and can copy any move that he sees.

[-] Dalek_Thal@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago

This is for a friend, right?

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

You can train as much as you like, and have all the resources in the world,, but until they invent real world plot armor, you would get wrecked by a stray bullet almost instantly. There are no realistically possible super heros.

Weird link, it goes to a Google Summer of Code post for me.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

If John wick was a real human being with a regular human body he would be dead so quickly

[-] gunpachi@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago

He also had that bullet resistant suit on him which helped a ton. There's a video by the Hacksmith to recreate the suit but obviously real world results were nowhere near John Wick's suit.

[-] shartworx@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Consider Bruce Lee. Dedicated his time to mastering multiple martial arts. Died of edema at 32 years old. No opponents. It's possible he drank too much water.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry, no mortal can withstand the sheer level of alcohol that 007 goes through on a day to day basis.

[-] gunpachi@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

True. Too much martini can fuck up anyone that is not 007 himself.

[-] Mambert@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Just work out after work, train on the weekends, and you'll be better than a majority of people. And isn't that enough most of the time?

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It would probably help if their full time job was already secret agent.

I always find the bit that takes me out of those characters is that they seem to speak, like, every language. I know polyglots exist, but the time it would take on top of the time all their other skills would take? Not only to learn, but to maintain fluency? There's literally not enough hours in the day.

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

No, there are very specialized aspects of their professions that people in other professions don't get.

[-] sofiacarson@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

If your tap tap shots skills are good, it is completely possible. Everything will be successful.

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