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[-] fosiacat@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

honestly really tired of seeing these stupid “analysis” articles. people are not having kids because we don’t have the stability that generations before us had. this is not even uncommon, EVERY species needs to have stability to breed. you can’t put two people in a fucking house and say “ok have a kid” when those 2 people are paying some fucking landleach 4000/month for a 1 bedroom apartment, spending the other 200 dollars on whatever garbage food they can find, and then not afford anything else. who the fuck would be thinking “wow I should have more responsibility right now” ??????

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

Money. Every fucking answer to every fucking question is money.

[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

"MoNeY cAn'T bUy HaPpInEsS"

It sure as fuck can buy some sense of safety to focus on "wants", like children. The wealthy want the labor force to be born, yet are doing everything they can to suck them dry of every financial well-being they try to get. Then they got the gall to write these wedge pieces blaming a generation for not doing some fucking survival gymnastics to fulfill their gloom and doom future!

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Sounds like the author is grumpy that they don't have grandkids...

[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

"Survival gymnastics" is the perfect description.

[-] Chilly@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I mean, same for me. I keep joking that I'm too selfish to have kids, but the reality is I'm not so rich I can afford to have enough help to still live my lifestyle.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

What causes your mother to spread her legs? What type of shot is she best-known for filming?

Damn, you're right, it's like magic.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That isn't very nice to say. I guess if your mother would have had the foresight to abort you none of us would have to deal with the tediousness of interacting with you.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago
[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Pretty much. I have kids and we only made that choice when our finances were in reasonable shape. We'd have never made the choice to have them, if we didn't think we could afford them. Because ya, kids are expensive.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Not having kids if you can’t even support yourself properly.

Maybe we should redistribute some of that 1% wealth.

[-] Jamie@jamie.moe 25 points 1 year ago

I am supporting myself fine and I don't want kids because I'd have to sacrifice the quality of life I'm living now. I couldn't maintain my current quality of life financially with a kid even if time weren't an issue.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago

This is the other thing. Not every millennial is scraping by, and many simply enjoy their current standard of living.

I have kids of my own, and I love them, but they're a lot of fucking work and expense, and the trajectory of your life is irreversibly changed. Kids aren't some magical "make life better" toy that exist for our amusement, like some people seem to think.

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Instead of trickle down, we should have piñata economics

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago

Kids are cute but if you haven't thought about how your precious baby is gonna afford rent in 18 years which will probably be like $5K/mo for a sleep pod, then you're a sadistic asshole.

I feel absolute dread every time I see a small kid or a pregnant woman. That kid doesn't deserve the shithole they're getting into.

I'm not sure it will get that bad. Although, after accounting for inflation, you may not be far off on the price of such a "palace".

I strongly suspect that we are at the start of a "rebalancing" here in the US. We are starting to see it in the labor market. Fewer people seem to be heading for degrees that aren't paying and are opting instead for the trades. Which, while good for them, the nation and the states, is going to kinda suck for me in a few years as the job market I'm in becomes more and more saturated and I get older and older.

[-] reflex@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

$5K/mo for a sleep pod

The sleep pod.

[-] FarFarAway@startrek.website 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“If I don’t do everything right, then my kid will end up living on my couch forever or be a serial killer. … I don’t know if or when I’ll have what it takes to be a ‘good’ parent."

These are pretty much the words I've heard spoken. Especially when there's a lack of a support system / a support system you trust to help raise the kid right. The fear of permanently screwing up some poor soul is real.

I think stability is a pretty big factor too. It's not just owning a house and having a job that pays the bills. It's about being in a place where you feel able to really give the kid everything they will need, emotionally and monetarily, in the long term. If one can't count on a job to see the humanity in people, or even pay a living wage, how can they trust that their employer won't let them go if their "metrics" go to crap, or that they wont just drive them insane. It's nice to think you can leave the baggage at the door, but I've definitely been employed at places that have permanently changed me as a person, and not for the better.

Obviously, everyone has their own reasons for not wanting a child, but, at its core, it's our screwed up society and what it demands from us, with so little of a return.

[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My husband and I had two kids because we (1) both have union jobs with decent worklife balance, and (2) had high quality yet reasonably priced daycare in our neighborhood. (It still cost us more than our mortgage when both were in daycare.) If we didn't have that we'd have only one kid and still make some pretty big sacrifices (we both really wanted kids). I truly don't know how other people do it without kind, generous family members nearby or very high paying jobs. ETA: We know A LOT of families with only one kid.

[-] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

The article lays out key reasons why imo, like access to knowledge and birth control. We didn't really get much for sex ed, but a few years later we could ask about it in the Internet when the teacher wasn't looking in the computer lab.

As someone else asked, the better question is why are we still asking this question? We should be acting on what is now 20 years of data!!!

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Millennial here. Not going to read the article. Just going to tell everyone why I don't have children.

  1. My partner and I both work. We simply cannot afford to lose 50% of our pay, we barely scrape by as it is.

  2. We don't have a permanent home to raise a child in. Housing is outrageous, and every place we rent from jacks the price up 20 to 30% every year if you are not a new resident, so we move every year.

  3. Until very recently, any pregnancy complications would have long term consequences to my partner's health, or could possibly take their life. Without access to medical care and reproductive rights, I simply refuse to compromise their safety in that way.

  4. There are already thousands of children in the foster home and adoption systems, who desperately need love, support and stability. It seems unreasonably selfish to bring another person in to this world when so many are already suffering and in need.

[-] decended_being@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

Another millennial adding on:

  1. Bringing a sentient life into a world of suffering and climate change that will only worsen seems malicious to that life, at this point.
  2. My partner really doesn't want to go through the body changes that come with pregnancy.

Additional emphasis on #3, even if it didn't compromise safety, a healthy pregnancy is expensive! Healthcare from any complications is financially devastating.

Small aside that adoption is not off the table for us, but we're not financially comfortable to get a dog yet, which we've been saving for for a few years. One of us would need to get a huge raise to be able to afford the costs of adoption and raising of a human child.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago
[-] Blyssful@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

As a Gen x mother to 2 millennial who do nit want children(my son got a vasectomy in fact.) I'd love grandchildren. However, I would NEVER force, coerce, torture or tease ANYONE to have a baby. There are little one who need (extra) grandparents. Find some. Volunteer with kids. It's fun. And your children won't resent you. For that at least.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Every two years, the Census Bureau quietly appends a battery of fertility-related questions to its workhorse monthly questionnaire, the Current Population Survey, our go-to source for everything from the unemployment rate to Americans’ moving habits.

Hammered by the Great Recession, soaring student debt, precarious gig employment, skyrocketing home prices and the covid-19 crisis, millennials probably faced more economic headwinds in their childbearing years than any other generation.

And, unlike previous generations, millennials had the means to delay pregnancy thanks to affordable, long-acting birth-control options, said Alison Gemmill, a demographer at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

If women are able to follow through on their delayed family plans, much of the rise in childlessness could be erased, according to a 2020 analysis of the same data set by Gemmill and Caroline Sten Hartnett of the University of South Carolina.

These days, when the outlook may be even bleaker, there’s intense pressure to pump your kids up with every available ounce of organic superfood, superior schooling and extracurricular enrichment to give them a slim shot at getting ahead.

So the decision to avoid having children may amount to a kind of performance anxiety in the face of intense expectations and weak governmental and social support, Guzzo said: “If I don’t do everything right, then my kid will end up living on my couch forever or be a serial killer.


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[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Where's that de-clickbait headline bot

Just asking, but how would you have titled it?

The article's title wasn't misleading. It contained what it said on the tin. Not it's fault that we are slightly more well informed than many others.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
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