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The Las Vegas Strip Could Be the Site of the Largest Hospitality Strike in U.S. History, 35,000 Workers Ready to Strike Days Before Las Vegas’s Big Formula 1 Kick-Off Weekend (vegas.eater.com)

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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 120 points 10 months ago

Good. Do it. They deserve healthcare and reasonable wages.

[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 87 points 10 months ago

Absolutely love Formula 1, been a fan for 30 years, find the whole cutting edge technology and it's public applications fascinating...

...but yeah lol fuck the circus. Formula 1 has gone from pure greed on the organisation front to unadulterated morally bankrupt and taking-the-piss greed. Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi... yeah nah fuck that noise, a bit of fire under Liberty Media's chair would do them good.

It runs the risk of fucking the Vegas fanbase off 2005-stylez, but hey it can't have been too terrible if there's now three US races on the calendar.

[+] CubbyTustard@reddthat.com 25 points 10 months ago

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[-] farcaster@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

If you're worried about leaded fuels (and I agree, you should be) then don't look up next time a small plane flies over.. They're almost all still using leaded Avgas :\

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some scientist took to mapping IQ levels geographically and everyone who lives downwind of a small airport has a consistent and directly proportional drop to the average concentration of airborne lead for about 1-4 miles surrounding them. The drops in IQ even perfectly match the wind patterns. It's insane. If you live really close to a small airport, pack up and move away.

It's also crazy that they allowed small aircraft to get away with not having to follow the same fuel regulations, it's really a small difference in cost, our politicians are just too bought out.

Edit: but also, the rest of us likely breathe it in as well, just not as much, and we haven't figured out exactly how much; ostensibly because it spreads out too much and thus affects everyone more evenly. Yay "energy" corporations and capitalism.

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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Formula 1 hasn’t used leaded fuel since the early 90s.

Why fucking lie

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Zero safe limits" has a lot to do with the scale. While it can't be good for those in attendance, between the relative infrequency of races, limited number of cars on the field, and general use of batteries even in the ICE leagues (let alone caring about emissions for efficiency purposes), it is probably perfectly fine. Or, more pointedly, all the OTHER emissions are likely a much bigger concern.

Also, the number of safety and societal dangers of F1 go WELL beyond just dangerous fuel. Like, I enjoy watching the occasional race. But holy shit does F1 make pro wrestling look "not THAT bad..."

[-] aelwero@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Their point has validity on any scale though... I'm generally not a fan of "zero tolerance" in any context, but the context here is ostensibly an intentionally equalized playing field, meaning that a zero tolerance policy on any aspect is inherently fair... So there's really no excuse for accepting environmental hazards...

The assertion that allowance of additives (any additives that pose environmental/spectator hazards) has no benefit other than "car go fast", is a solid point.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The waste from the cars, the maintenance, transportation, and the event itself go above and beyond. Yes, everyone totally keeps the fancy kitty litter around to get every single leak and so forth. Sure...

Not to mention the increased exhaust.

As for scale: Yes, it really does matter.

Rough numbers time.

According to chatgpt, an F1 car has a max fuel capacity of 110 kg per race. Obviously they try to avoid using all of that for a range of reasons, but sure. Not gonna bother to write the math, but that is about 39.29 gallons.
Roughly 20 cars on the starting grid, and let's assume for the sake of easy math that every car used a full tank for practice, both rounds of qualifiers, and the race itself. So 4*39.29*20=3143 gallons per race for the cars alone.
Still chatgpt because the window is open, but the average sedan has 12-18 gallons tanks.
3143 / 12 = 261 cars. 261 cars use the amount of fuel used in a single F1 race in between trips to the gas station.
Still using chatgpt: average attendance numbers range from 10k to 100k spectators.

So yeah. The amount of fuel used in a given F1 race is a drop in the bucket relative to just how much is used by the cars that bring people to watch them. And I have intentionally not included the trucks used to transport the f1 cars or even the trains and boats.

And that is why, while it isn't good and I am opposed to it, the lead that may or may not still be used in F1 fuel (chat gpt says no, random ass quora page says 5 mg/L. Whereas, if there were even trace amounts of lead in the gas that gets everyone else to the F1 race...

The environmental impact of an F1 race, let alone a season, is horrendous. Even if we are talking formula E or whatever the current pure electric league is. And fixating on older fuel composition in the light of that is, quite frankly, asinine and self defeating.

Hell, the dirt and dust around the more rural tracks probably has MUCH more lead than the fuel.

[-] June@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

Yea, no. F1 cars don’t use leaded fuel.

[-] babyfarmer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Formula One hasn't used leaded gasoline since the 90's.

The fuel they use is actually very similar to the gas that anyone can buy at the pump.

https://flowracers.com/blog/what-fuel-do-f1-cars-use/

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 3 points 10 months ago

It's even like E10 now

[-] evulhotdog@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

For Formula 1 cars it is 5mg/l. Old four star leaded has about 840mg/l but is now banned. In the UK low lead petrol is available from a small number of specialist garages for classic cars which cannot run on unleaded and contains about 75mg/l.

So while none is the best, this is a very small fraction in comparison as to what it used to be, and it also is to cover cross contamination purposes.

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

get those engines modified so they do take unleaded, shit is bad for anyone breathing it

edit: also, I'm not sure I completely buy it. Lead was only picked as an additive because it was the cheapest available. Before it was even picked, there were other economically and mechanically viable alternatives. The commercial aircraft industry switched to a different additive seamlessly once lead was legislated away. The studies about this are abundant and easily found; sounds like some old farts just managed to squeeze by with a bogus excuse that no-one scrutinized.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Don't know why you're downvoted, there's no excuse to use leaded fuel in anything.

[-] thenightisdark@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

There's no lead in the fuel. That's why. Downvote for incorrect information.

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 7 points 10 months ago

I agree, this GP need to be a catastrophe, it's time Stefano get a reality check.

[-] 2piradians@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago

Losing them tons of money is the only way to make the faceless corporates pay attention and take action. I hope they do it.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Sometimes this timeline isn't so bad

[-] sleepy555@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

The race is through the city, on main city roads. Shit is wild.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Vegas is just awful for formula 1. It's going to be a shitshow

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yea there are some good street races, I have little faith vegas will be one of them

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago

Isn't that often the case for formula 1 races?

[-] David_Eight@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

In the 2023 season, 7 out of 23 races are.

[-] weksa@lemm.ee 35 points 10 months ago

I was in Vegas last month. Uber/Lyft drivers are fed up too. One driver told me that he used to meet his goals by 11am. Because of F1 construction traffic, now he’s driving an extra 10-15 hours per day to meet those same goals. He’s gonna be out of town this F1 month, visiting a friend in another state to consider moving there.

Life is becoming worse for the residents, while the casinos get richer.

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 8 points 10 months ago

Can't he just take the bus? SMH my head

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

An Uber driver can take the bus? Did you think about that before writing or just spewing shit

[-] June@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Whooosh

[-] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

We need to align ALL of the nations unions contract dates so that when one union goes on strike, ALL of the other Unions members are available to strike against the Capitalists nas a group.

[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 2 points 10 months ago

May day for the world.

[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

35k workers on strike? That's like a monday in France.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

It's 35,000 more than last year. Along with the actors strike, and right after the UAW strikes. Lets leave the defeatism on reddit.

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

AWS reInvent starts in three weeks. Amazon doesn't want any of their employees to be exposed to unions.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Cars no go vroom?

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As my nephew would say, "hhnnnngh!!!"

[-] XbSuper@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I've been waiting for this race all fucking year, they better just give them what they're asking for and not mess this up.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Hate to break the news mate but this race is probably gonna suck

[-] June@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The race will suck but at least the rich people putting it on will make a ton of money!

Edit: I couldn’t have been more wrong.

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[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I totally agree, I was just making a joke because our or french friends are quite something when it comes to strikes and protest.

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