Reminds me of the old joke "what's the difference between libertarians and republicans? Libertarians know the legal age of consent in all 50 states"
This trope and this meme are lame and wrong. You people have a ridiculous idea about Libertarians that is nothing but plain prejudice.
I encourage anyone to prove me wrong by reading this Libertarian Party Platform document. Please point out anything about age of consent that is included in the Libertarian platform.
Additionally, prove me wrong by showing any example of a Libertarian party member stating support for adults abusing children in the manner alluded to in this prejudiced meme / trope.
EDIT: Downvotes don't prove anything folks. I issued a challenge here - is nobody going to prove me wrong?
Heh. Somebody got offended by a joke
No I am offended by the prejudice behind the joke. It's as bad as Trumptards and Qanon morons calling Democrats pedos.
Probably not a great idea to alienate the Independent type voters ahead of important elections as well. Democrats / Leftists / whatever you are should be courting the votes of those who are not-Republicans rather than driving more division.
I can't imagine willingly telling people I was a libertarian in the internet.
There’s one more group that would make this argument…..
Liberals in a worker shortage
What fantasy world are you living in? So dumb...
Red states. What part of that isn't clear?
You're replying to a hexbear user. When they use the label "Liberals" it includes the folks you immediately think of but it also includes conservatives., as in economic liberalism.
no, I mean mean US democrat liberals and the link I provided shows that child labor restrictions are being loosened in both red and blue states
Yes they're all liberals. That's what I said. The guy was like 'where blue states I thought you said libral' and so I had to clarify that in this context the word applies to both not just blue.
You're right, ultimately both sects are fundamentally rooted in liberal ideology. I just wanted to clarify that I was talking about the blue liberals specifically in my reply.
Only one? I'm stuck between the US court system and Mormons looking for a wife but I guess Republican Congressmen's Dating Pool is also a possibility.
What about the Catholics? The age of consent is 12 years in Vatican City
Some of you guys have really warped definitions of libertarianism...
The problem is libertarian groups themselves don't stand up against anarchists joining them. I remember Gary Johnson getting booed at an official libertarian party gathering for saying he believes in driver's licences.
Also we already know how libertarianism ends, with robber barons controlling everything and people living in company towns. It's a terrible political ideal.
American libertarians are rebranded anarcho-capitalists. Outside of the US, libertarians are largely associated with anarchism and other anti-authoritarian socialist ideologies. Any left-libertarian (the kind that would identify as just anarchist, not ancap) want absolutely nothing to do with Gary Johnson. Don't put their shit show of an ideology on us lol
Left libertarians are still opposed to a strong central government which is a core issue with libertarianism.
In your ideal government, how would child porn or slavery be addressed? Let's assume there's a community that formed because they think it's a good thing.
Shitty people exist and always will. It would be foolish of me to say otherwise. The shitty things they do may still happen in a stateless society. Child porn and slavery are being produced in societies with central government right now and very little is being done about it. In a stateless, moneyless society there would be no incentive for slave labor and I think that would largely/entirely disappear.
Child porn is obviously a lot more complex than that and there are several factors in play. First, anarchists and adjacent movement are staunch advocates of community engagement and vigilance. We want to radically change how society functions at the most base levels. If a child is being abused or exploited, it would ideally be easier to spot and act on. There hasn't been a lot of research into what causes pedophilia or how to treat it in a way that would reduce/eliminate people acting on those urges. Research could be conducted into practical and holistic ways to treat their condition. Poverty is strongly linked to sexual violence of all kinds and the abolition of poverty would surely have a big part to play in the reduction of many things, including child sexual abuse. A society formed around the ideals of libertarian socialism present a real opportunity to end the cycle of abuse and that would certainly play a role in reducing child sexual exploitation.
There's plenty more to say about this and there's obviously a lot of detail not covered in my brief comment but there are solutions to this baked into the ideological framework of anarchism and libertarian socialism. I'm not going to say we have all the answers, of course we don't. But a society organized from the bottom up, with a focus on equality, safety and prosperity for all would not only be incentivised to solve these problems, but would be much quicker to act due to the lack of bureaucratic red tape
What's wrong with anarchists? I've never seen anarchists defending pedophilia. Anarchism doesn't mean you just freely cause harm to others; quite the contrary.
Perhaps some facets of libertarianism are really fucked up?
Slavery and child porn are debated by libertarians because the only way to address both is centralized government. However, since most (though not all) libertarians are opposed to any central government, they end up justifying with "well if you want to sell yourself as a slave, why should anyone stop you?".
But yeah, obviously it's us that are aware of this who are the fucked up ones.
I'd argue pedophilia can be to some degree be addressed with proper mental healthcare.
I'm curious what the downvotes are for... Are they saying there's no helping them or even the thought of helping them is bad?
Of literally all the kinds of people in the world with all the kinds of mental issues they could have, I've never seen more vicious hatred of a group than pedophiles. Not to defend them, but it could be as simple as having a sexual attraction but literally never acting on it, yet still I see "kill them, drag them by their genitals, let dogs eat them alive and pee on them" etc... that kind of absolute dehumanizing hatred. Even the sociopaths that are literally destroying the world get by with less violent hatred.
Again, not defending pedophiles, I just think that if it's an issue of mental help then they should be helped, not hunted.
The implication of sexual attraction being a mental health issue is fraught.
Before you let someone drag you down that slope it's important include consent. Someone underage can't consent to you dipping your balls in their mouth. Same for peanut butter and your pet.
Folks like to conflate pedo and by extension homo and trans as a mental health issue. Then they try to make an argument about how a trans teen can't consent to gender care because they're underage. As if fucking a kid is the same as a kid saying they need help.
The "pedo and mental health" comment smells like this kind of bait. It doesn't look exactly like a Nazi, but it kinda smells like one.
I definitely understand what you're saying, but there have to be people who find children attractive but don't act on it so consent isn't really the issue there, but we still have the problem of how society sees those people and the possibility of the mental anguish those people must feel. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be "the worst human trash in the history of the world" while also not behaving in that way. :(
I guess it's more of a "them" problem as they aren't acting on their attractions, maybe society shouldn't be involved in that one? I don't know... It just bothers me when I see that kind of hatred when there's no way 100% of pedophiles actually act on their attractions.
Yeah, libertarians acknowledge that 12 year olds are children, they just also want to fuck children.
Nathan Larson was a libertarian- no need to spin up narratives when it sets itself up, nice try though.
Found the libertarian.
Fuck, marry, kill: Degen edition
Libertarians
Fascists
The IDF
Libertarians are fascists…
Libertarians are morons in their own right but the core philosophy of libertarianism (in the political compass sense) is the opposite of authoritarianism, which is where fascism stems from. A group that doesn't want centralized government can't also want a centralized government that enforces sociopolitical ideology.
The more you throw around the word "fascist" to mean "anything right of me that I don't like" the more the word loses meaning and becomes like the "communist" rallying cry of the boomers.
So are the IDF...
I think you're on to something boys
Libertarians are like liberty to cherry pick lucrative bits of capitalism but same level of kick the ladder fuck you I got mine as regular Republicans.
Like Hasan said "It's all liberalism at the end of the day"
..."Someone shot an RPG at us from the upper top window of the building across the road, requesting air support, over..." ..."They're setting up another RPG, over..." ..."Ah never mind, it's a minor. We'll just hope he continues to miss us"
