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[-] robinm@programming.dev 82 points 2 years ago

Moving to git is nice but I don't understand why they don't self-host a gitlab instance.

[-] knopwob@programming.dev 57 points 2 years ago

Imho the main argument for github is that it lowers the hurdle for new ane ad-hoc contributions like issues. I'm problably too lazy to registsr a new account for your instance just to open a bug report.

I'd love a federated git/issue/wiki thing

[-] SomeRandomWords 6 points 2 years ago

Are they moving issues or just code storage to GitHub?

[-] xoggy@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago

In my opinion that sounds like a plus. People that are too lazy to register an account to put in a code merge request or report a bug aren't going to be writing quality code or quality bug reports.

[-] jack@monero.town 16 points 2 years ago

Yes but knowing of a bug is better than not knowing of a bug

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[-] dragnet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago

Speak for yourself, I've been prepared to submit detailed bug reports before the process in place to do so turned me off.

[-] xoggy@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

I did speak for myself. I said "In my opinion".

[-] ericjmorey@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

They're going to continue using Bugzilla for bug reports.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

It wouldn't make it more difficult than with mercurial, which isn't supported by github either.

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[-] lysdexic@programming.dev 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

but I don’t understand why they don’t self-host

Why would anyone self-host a FLOSS project? Trade secrets is not a concern, nor is it barring access to the source code repository. Why would anyone waste their resources managing a service that adds no value beyond a third-party service like GitHub?

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago

Because Microsoft will eat your ass in your sleep

[-] lysdexic@programming.dev 20 points 2 years ago

Because Microsoft will eat your ass in your sleep

So Microsoft has access to Firefox's source code. So what? Isn't the point of a FLOSS project that your source code should be made available to everyone?

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago
[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Because while you do have control (and "copies") of the source code repository, that's not really true for the ecosystem around it - tickets, pull requests, ...

If Microsoft decided to fuck you over you'd have a hard time migrating the "community" around that source code somewhere else.

Obviously depends on what features you are using, but for example losing all tickets would be problematic for any projects.

Apparently Mozilla won't be even accepting PRs there so it doesn't matter much.

[-] lysdexic@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago

Because while you do have control (and “copies”) of the source code repository, that’s not really true for the ecosystem around it - tickets, pull requests, …

The announcement to drop Mercurial quite clearly states that their workflow won't change and that GitHub pull requests are not considered a part of their workflow.

Also, that's entirely irrelevant to start with. Either you care about software freedom and software quality, or you don't. If you care about software freedom you care about having free and unrestricted access to FLOSS projects such as Firefox, which GitHub clearly provides. If you care about software quality you'd care about the Firefox team picking the absolute best tools for the job that they themselves picked.

[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago

Or, you know, Gitea or such.

[-] SomeRandomWords 2 points 2 years ago

I keep hearing people only on Lemmy bring up Gitea but I haven't really heard of it otherwise. What's the appeal and what's keeping it locked away with the Lemmy community?

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago
[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 22 points 2 years ago

The repository will be hosted on GitHub, though the move is expected to take “at least six months before the migration begins.”

Another major opensource project that chooses a proprietary hosting platform 🤷

[-] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 years ago

Let's be honest here, at least like 98% of the popular OSS is on GitHub at this point. You don't have to like it, but it's how things are

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

Doesn't mean that they have to continue putting stuff there. But oh well, maybe once ForgeFed becomes a real thing, things might change a little.

[-] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It does. OSS needs visibility, it needs contributions

GitHub's community and discoverability features really help with that, as much as it sucks that they got acquired by Microsoft

[-] philm@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

People use the most convenient way to collaborate, and that's for me currently Github. Really hope, some day a better alternative with ForgeFed becomes reality.

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[-] ericjmorey@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Using and financially contributing to Codberg seems like a good next step to take. Doubt they will though.

[-] fzz@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

Ah! 😣 Why not nest or self-hosted pijul!?

It's not battle tested on massive projects nor does it have the prior mindshare git has. It doesn't have a lot of tooling either. (Does any CI/CD system support pijul?) It has nice properties, but ultimately git with all it's terrible warts is well understood.

[-] fzz@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

CI/CD

Pijul as git or hg or any other is a VCS, so what are you talking about? If you mean web-service like GitHub with social things and CI/CD services, so yes, nest have CI/CD with nix. But mostly you shouldn’t host your huge project on the Nest because, as I’m absolutely sure, you as anyone other should create your own host (public or private) to support decentralization to prevent github-like centralization situation. Pijul was created with decentralization in first place in mind.

Not tested with big projects in production

Not publicly. Many private projects, personal and in-company, that uses pijul are existing. Personally I have one HUGE personal. Also I worked for two companies where pijul is used.

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[-] technom@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Neither has reached 1.0. They're perpetually unstable.

[-] mr_satan@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago

Chromium has a mirror on GitHub and it's fine. While it feels a little strange to have just one mirror (on GitHub), after moving to git entirely, nobody is stopping to them from hosting a GitLab mirror.

[-] ActionHank@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Cool now I can actually check it out. Tried to previously but my connection failed about an hour into the clone. --depth=1 --shallow-submodules --recurse-submodules should really be given its own command in git. Not really sure why'd they choose MS as their host though.

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