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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Wu9fee@lemmy.ca to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca

The comments section is ultimate drama. 😹😹

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[-] antik@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just fyi. You have cookiejarobserver@burggit.moe in this thread using his alt @CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org here. He is moderator on known pedo and Loli instance burgitt.moe and he has been very angry at us at Lemmy World for calling him out.

He now pretends that it is not his account even though CJO obviously stands for CookieJarObserver, he also speaks German and he is defending the person that is 'totally not him'.

Pretty sure he is using at least one other account here to play stupid - Amillionnames. This user popped up around the same time CJO had his accounts banned and is always in the same threads. And now they are having conversations pretending they are not the same person.

Yes I am all over this thread with my alt (because I could not talk to him from my LW account since he is banned) but it all just clicked. He was in every thread that mentions LW talking shit with his alts which made me wonder why he would not give his main account so this could be reviewed.

Now we know.

https://burggit.moe/u/cookiejarobserver

Bye

[-] some_guy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

You follow a lot of pedos 🙃

[-] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just to clarify, I created this account at the same time I became aware of https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit to avoid risks with my main when making this thread http://web.archive.org/web/20231107221038/https://sh.itjust.works/comment/4632925 . I have already explained why in several threads, but this is the first time he's brought up these accusations directly while evading my concerns regarding the original OP I was alluding to.

This is the first time Antik is accusing me of being this user, but he has also accused me of being someone else here: http://web.archive.org/web/20231107174821/https://sh.itjust.works/comment/5160618 Apparently it is easier to suggest I'm someone else there and now someone entirely different here without providing any evidence than to answer the reply I left hanging in the thread I've linked.

It must be nice to be able to make accusations without having to provide or worry about archiving evidence.

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[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago

I don't give my main because i don't need to do anything you demand. Imagine being a power tripping reddit mod like you

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 18 points 10 months ago

Wait… doesn’t it say they refederated?

It looks like an update to a post titled when defederation happened before?

[-] Wu9fee@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Oh My bad. I just learned about it now. I think I will just delete the post.

[-] Shadow@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Maybe just edit your title to be accurate?

[-] Wu9fee@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Okay Ill do that

[-] finthechat@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

You should leave it up because it's providing active discussion about an important topic. Also, if you delete this thread you'd just be cleaning up evidence that mods/admins from Lemmy.World and Lemmy.dbzer0 seem to be insane people, which more users need to know.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Seconding a title edit, something like [Refederated] Lemmy.world ...

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[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And thus the Lemmy.world shitshow continues...

[-] Antik@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just have a look at this user's history if you want to know why he got banned. Basically calling us antisemites and what not. His entire history is full of LW shit-talking on his new account. He even admitted "I have a personal problem with these assholes" without actually revealing his main account.

https://lemmy.world/u/CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org

Edit: his main account is cookiejarobserver@burgitt.moe and he is a mod on a pedo instance

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[-] Luci@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

I'm out of the loop, what's going on with .world?

[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 10 months ago

Admins having a power trip on spez level constantly, making their instance into a walled garden, like reddit, being antisemitic and harass other instances admins.

They believe they own lemmy now because they got lucky and be labeled the "default instance" by most apps and got pushed by many.

They are just as insane as Lemmyml admins.

They damage lemmy as a whole, willingly, with this behavior.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

you are so much full of shit lol

[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 10 months ago

Ok, but i actually don't ask for your opinion... So get lost. Ok?

[-] Slimy_hog@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

i actually don't ask for your opinion

By posting on a community that anyone can reply to you on, you kinda did ask for other people to respond to you...

[-] Antik@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 months ago

Yes but if you just insult others and don't bring anything meaningful you can also just be quiet and not bother people...

[-] Slimy_hog@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

You don't get to police how folks respond to you..

If you didn't want to be "bothered" and can't handle criticism, you shouldn't have posted something on the internet.

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[-] Antik@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Edit: this guy is moderator on an actual pedo and Loli instance.

https://lemmy.world/comment/5138651

[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 months ago

I asked you what it is, because you believe to know. And a secondary account has the point of not being associated with a main...

Im not giving you like 20 account names. Don't worry none of them are on your shithole instance or are active there.

[-] Antik@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 months ago

All 20 have because they are all mine. Fuck off.

[-] sour@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

why do they participate in the fediverse if they're going to make their instance like a corporate platform

[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

Circle Jerk?

[-] Butts@ani.social 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I posted this comment on ani.social and got banned from Lemmy.world:

Who even cares, fuck those guys.

Lemmy.world revealed how far they have their heads jammed waaaaaay up their own assholes when they released their new TOS and were patting themselves on the back about it. Then, in true Le Reddit fashion, anyone in the comments section who dared to question that decision was getting mass down voted by brainless sycophants. Lemmy.world got lucky by being the most visible and attracting the most users this past summer, but it doesn’t make them inherently special, which they clearly now believe they are.

The Fediverse is a new opportunity for internet discussion to feel free and open again rather than confined by kowtowing to corporate interests. These instances defederating from ani.social is forewarning to any users with their heads up that they are just places to avoid anyway.

Now, regardless of whether you agree with my stance or not, or if for some reason you are offended by the fuck word, is criticism of policy seriously an offense so egregious that it warrants a ban?

Of course it isn't.

And before somebody tries to cleverly point out "hurr durr you sound butthurt because you got banned from LW" that's not at all the point I am making here. I'm pointing out the sheer insecure pettiness of the administration at LW that they would get so bent out of shape from some criticism from a throwaway account that they would ban it on the spot.

Ask yourselves if you really want to make LW your home base, because I do not.

Edit: also lol at Antik, a LW admin, coming to this comments section on an alt account and arguing with people. Dozens of testy, sparring comments bordering on harassment. This is the exact immature behavior that I am calling out. He had to literally do nothing to get a win here, yet he deliberately chose to show his ass to everyone instead.

Edit 2: LW banned every user in this thread who posted a criticism of their insecurity, pettiness, irrationality and cognitive dissonance of thinking that "pictures of anime" are somehow all CSAM. They have brigaded this post - roughly 50% of the 100 comments here are from the admin or his alt literally harassing people simply because they stated they do not like LW. These are not the actions of sound-minded individuals, these are the actions of actually insane people.

[-] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ask yourselves if you really want to make LW your home base, because I do not.

That was sort of my thinking as well. I've been trying to get a clear answer for a ban that archived everything to show that they were just banned for criticism, and I haven't gotten a direct answer other than a claim that contradicts the evidence.

Purging an account, banning it, and then allowing them to sweep everything under the ban rug is a direct attack on the credibility of user accounts, and I can understand people not trusting a server with it when they do that, and it's even worse when those admins are capable of being charismatic so people are much less keen to question them.

That's something that abusive power mods on reddit did all the time. They tried to sweep everything under the ban rug, keep quiet about it and only give out vague reasons, and then just label the user a shithead when they inevitably then had to proceed to try to scale it up, which meant trying to attract more attention, which made people question them more, which just swept them up with the people that really deserved it, and it just became a vicious cycle.

The one big tell is that when somebody really deserves it, they don't really hide it, whereas when its much more questionable, they keep so quiet that you have to wonder whether the person in question killed anyone, which just adds to it.

[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 10 months ago

You can see how their admins behave in this thread...

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[-] finthechat@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Curious that this exact comment thread looks so different on Lemmy.ca (original instance) versus how it appears on Lemmy World.

At the time of posting this, the original thread has 13 comments as opposed to the sanitized version on Lemmy World, which has 6 comments. Naturally, all of the comments critical of LW do not appear on their version.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

You sure it's not just because those comments were submitted by ani.social users during the period which the instances were defederated from each other?

[-] finthechat@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

It's from manual bans, not defederation. Both Butts@ani.social (the parent comment in this chain) and CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org (commenter providing a critical summary of why people are upset) are banned at LW.

At the time of writing this comment, by looking at the LW modlog you can see Butts was banned 3 hours ago because "fuck those guys" and 17 hours ago CJOTheReal was banned because "LW admins are assholes."

I am guessing those ban reasons are quotes from the banned users themselves, not the actual reason why an admin personally banned them, though that hardly makes it justifiable - in fact it does the opposite by proving that LW admins actually are power tripping and banning for petty reasons.

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[-] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 10 months ago

This is one of the biggest issues with having a large part of the user-base end up on the same instance(s).

I do fear that the Fediverse, since this problem happens on all of the federated services I've seen, is one day going to end up just like Reddit/Twitter/etc. Maybe not in the exact same fashion (hopefully), but similar in many ways.

Which is not to say that I don't appreciate the people behind these communities for all that they contribute, don't get me wrong. But we're eclipsing a precipice that is going to be difficult to come back from.

It's a tough problem, and honestly I don't know what the solution is. It's not as simple as "don't have big instances", but the current situation isn't really ideal either.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

And people keep saying that it doesn't matter that the admins of the largest subs are insane people. It's very clear that they intend to use their influence to shape the fediverse and create walled gardens around anything from political ideology to inane biases.

It's critically important to call them out on this shit. It doesn't do much, but it's better than doing nothing.

[-] Antik@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago
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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 10 months ago

I quickly moved my main account to a new instance back when it was shown how more users in a single instance slowed everything down. If it ever came down to it, I would just run my own instance to be able to control what I can and cannot see instead of letting someone else choose for me.

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