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[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To all the burn it down and rebuild leftists (by protesting and not voting for the lesser of 2 evils) tell me how well that went for the Communists in Germany and Italy the last time mask off fascism rose to power there....

Edit: Not one of these "Self-righteous leftists" have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there. Its almost like they dont give a shit about the Prolitariat and would rather engage in purity politics rather than support the working class or marginalized communities. Absolutely pathetic astroturfing, or simply a complete disregard for the Materical Conditions on the ground in America.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Vote for the system least likely to break you and you allies while you work to dismantle it.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not voting for the lesser of two evils is the most childish shit. People like to bring up that Geralt quote, as if the situation in that story wasn't made a hell of a lot worse by his decision not to choose.

If you're not gonna vote blue all the way down, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and start burning it down so you can rebuild it. Otherwise you aren't protesting, you're just being lazy.

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Looks at the 2016 US election...

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

I legitimately regret not voting for Hilary....

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

I get exactly how you feel. "Fuck the establishment, this'll be the year that a third party wins!" To be young and optimistic again...

[-] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Meh, I still kinda regret having voted for her

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

“I wish the Democratic Party would put forth a candidate worth voting for!”

[-] Gormadt 7 points 1 year ago

The amount of people I knew who were like, "There's no way Hillary could lose so I don't need to vote," or, "Bernie got fucked so I'm not voting out of spite," were too damn high

The "best" part was seeing how low the voter turnout was in our district that typically leans blue, well in 2016 the turnout was hella low and it went hella red for the first time in a long time

Looking at raw numbers the red was pretty consistent from election to election but that year so many people who would vote blue didn't vote that it swung the election

Felt bad but now those people I know haven't missed a single election

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[-] DharkStare@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My favorite analogy is: You don't have to choose what's for dinner, but you're going to be forced to eat whatever was chosen.

Ever since I was old enough, I've voted in every single election I was eligible for. I don't care what people say or how unlikely it was for my candidate to win, I would still get out and vote.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Extending the analogy- if you are forced to eat shit or shittier shit every dinner you'll fucking die, and you need to find a way to stop being force-fed shit every night.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago

Voting is like paying taxes: It sucks, you don’t get anything you want, but not voting leads to problems.

I mainly vote to prove it doesn’t help and I haven’t been proven wrong since 2000

[-] RQG@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It might not look like it helped but who knows what would have happened if you and several others didn't go.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I guess the entire world going straight to hell at 300 mph is better than at 400 mph. Still going to hell, though.

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[-] patomaloqueiro@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Voting is important, but only an organized revolution is capable of breaking the system that fucks us up

[-] akariii 32 points 1 year ago

I find a lot of people arguing that one shouldn't vote because although easy, it is the least effective form of political engagement.

I'd argue that you should vote because it is the easiest form of political engagment and, if possible considering your material conditions, you should also try to participate in other forms of engagement.

Yep, I think that's uncontroversial...

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Slaps table THANK YOU!

Especially since those people refuse to actually provide an alternative form of political engagement besides vague references to a revolution, which has absolutely zero chance of coming out in the Prolitariat's favor in Americas current political climate, because there is nowhere near enough class conciousness for that to happen.

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[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, voting is the baseline. It's the least you can do.

I'm sure that there are anarchists out there who refuse to vote out of principle, but they still do activist work such as participating in mutual aid groups and so on. They're wrong, but at least they're still helping society in some way. I think the vast majority of people who don't vote are just lazy, though.

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

No, I won't get out and vote.

I will stay in and vote by mail.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I live in Oregon, which has had all-mail elections since the 1990's. It's so great being able to sit down with my husband, some endorsements, the voter's guide, and a computer to make my decision. So much better than scratching my head over half the ballot (well at least the title sounds good) and voting straight for the other half (vote blue no matter who).

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

On one hand, I wish I could do that in my country. On the other hand, voting already takes me less than 10 minutes including "commute" (walking down a single block), so it'd probably be a bigger hassle.

[-] g8phcon2@teacup.social 16 points 1 year ago

This attitude is why Americans have two shitty right-wing parties

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

No, it isn't.

It's the fact that the two shitty right-wing parties are essentially all powerful that we have two shitty right-wing parties.

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think cause and effect are mixed here. Americans having to pick between two shitty right wing parties is the reason why one would feel like every election is the most important election. The fact that they're so much alike is the biggest reason why they create as much dissent as possible.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Back in the 1970s, The Moral Majority took over the GOP by voting. They would show up at every local GOP club at every event. If 20 people had shown up the last time they picked the new dog catcher, the MMs would show up with fifty people. They didn't have a lot of money or connections yet, but they had people showing up all the time. Need someone to pass out petitions? MMs were there. Drive folks to the polls? Meanwhile, the Dems had counted on the Unions to do those jobs. That's why the GOP hated the Unions and did everything to dismantle them.

No one is going to hand you power.

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[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Liberals, please acknowledge that if there is a possibility every election that fascism will win, fascism will eventually win unless you take political action outside of electoralism

[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Fascism has already won if you're a person of color.

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[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

This is why it's important to build strong democratic institutions to resist fascism, populism, and the like. They won't last forever, but they can take a few election cycles of abuse. Part of the problem with many countries that have truly fallen to fascism or fascist-like movements is that they started out with weak or non-existent institutions. Contrast that with the US, where even the election of Donald Trump of the "Lock Her Up" slogan (very fascist) got basically nowhere with both prosecuting Hillary Clinton and overturning the 2020 election.

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[-] gothicdecadence@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Not every state or county is having an election, you can check to see if you can/should participate here https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar

[-] 31415926535@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

THANK you. There's been so much negative trolling on lemmy, really getting me down. Seeing your post actually reminded me I need to re-register.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

OP demanding people vote, 'regretted not voting hillary' and then calling people SJW in the comments. Just your average liberal fascist.

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lmao where did I demand people vote? I asked what the dude calling me out was doing irl besides being an internet sjw, while fully acknowledging that I very much am an internet sjw. Dude couldn't give me one answer and called me going to multiple ceasefire protest in D.C. as being a performative action, like no shit, thats what protesting is, showing your disdain for what your country is doing with my physical presence. Y'all are so fucking dumb.

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