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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 39 points 11 months ago

I am sorry, that is dumb.

I am all for less cars in cities, but this is a terrible design.

Why does the control system have to be a bike?

Why is the driver so exposed both to the elements and other drivers?

Why give the driver shit rear and side visibillity?

No, just do something like an old milk float design, don't reinvent the wheel all the time.

A milk float is already designed for local deliveries at a low cost, with a normal driving interface.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

The main question for me is what kinds of paths this is expected to use.

If you can take this on bike paths and into pedestrianized areas, it clearly already has a small niche. If it can only fit on a regular car lane, it's terrible.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago

No, that is a terrible way to think about it.

It is clearly much wider than any normal bike, meaning it would allways use up most of the space on the bike path, it is heavy and dangerous to other bikes in a collision, and since it has to stop for deliveries it will clog up the bike paths.

No, just use a milk float on normal roads, way better than a normal van, and it can use existing infrastructure that it was actually designed for.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

There are already cargo bikes that are way bigger and heavier than a normal bike.

This particularly seems not too dissimilar to the bike food carts you already see in some places.

[-] JohnnyH842@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

More shit to clog up the bike lane. No rear view mirrors, so no awareness of anyone behind you. Riders can't see around you. They will park in bike lanes to make deliveries. I'm not against the idea of replacing delivery trucks with bikes , I'm just realistic about how these will be used.

[-] Rogers@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Definitely not practical and not designed for the person that uses it. Great way for companies like Amazon to save a buck while making life harder for the people that get paid the least.

  • Hardly any protection from the elements
  • no place to put a drink or anything
  • have you ever been on a bicycle seat all day?
  • not safe if your on a road with cars/trucks

Maybe it would work for a college campus or something, but small electric box trucks would be far better for the person doing the work.

[-] arin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Imagine a bike road without cars and trucks.

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Okay neat I am just curious how they get from the warehouse to the urban center. I assume a top speed of say 20 to 30 mph which is plenty fast for most urban centers. But large warehouses are generally placed outside the city. Does anyone know if this is being considered? It seems that the last mile would have to become two last half miles.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I’m imagining a bicycle carrying a horse in a cart behind it.

We’ve come full circle

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

I imagining driving around a giant AI server, like hedonism-bot, and it just yells at the driver to pedal harder because he's using too much electricity.

[-] ForestOrca@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

8 inch rear, and 20 inch front wheels - it'll be a slow and bumpy ride, when they finally work out all the bumps in development. https://civilizedcycles.com/pages/commercial

Civilized Cycles has a starting price of $4999 for the CC Model 1, 60 mile range, released in 2020.

In the mean time , the cool thing is that truck bikes already exist, e.g. the oldest US bike manufacturer, Worksman Cycles, and they've worked out the electrification part, too.

http://worksman.com/

I'm currently working on rebuilding a Worksman Front Loader, which has a 500lb load limit, and 3 speed sturmey-archer hub.

https://www.worksmancycles.com/sud.html

[-] mercury 7 points 11 months ago

This is one thing cars are useful for, use bikes for literally anything else

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

That's just a car with pedals.

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