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[-] Xavier@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

It is sad to see important, if not critical, environmental regulations and climate change mitigation be traded/bargained off due to the inconvenience of the few. There was so many other ways to help them transition to better efficient heating system (namely heat pumps + good isolation) instead of a “temporary” tax suspension.

Unfortunately, I am more and more inclined to think our specie will probably be not make it past 3 more centuries, let alone another millennia if there we continue to argue over facts and fight each other over pride, imaginary points and religious/financial/paranoid dogmatism.

[-] SamuelRJankis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

"Trudeau defended the decision to only exempt heating oil on Tuesday, arguing that it is more expensive than gas and propane and is generally used by low-income Canadians"

While it would make sense to target the fuel type regarding the first comment, the latter portion would make more sense if it targeted the people.

If this whole thing was about poor people not being able to turn on the heat when they're cold then I don't see why they're just targeting a certain fuel type.

This interview is even more baffling since he says the heating oil emission is substantially worse and it's about ending the use of heating oil. You'd think they're increase the tax rebates for heating system changeover instead of this.

[-] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

The carbon tax is already a wealth transfer, in general poorer households are getting more back in the end, I wonder if in the case of heating oil it really was a case of most who could afford to change their heat source already had.

All the carbon tax is supposed to do is create a disincentive for carbon emitting things by making them more expensive, but since heating oil is already so much more expensive, the additional inventive really isn't needed (while for natural gas it is needed still to tip the scales in favor of heat pumps)

I read the article yesterday, so I may be misremembering, but I thought I read that this exception for heating oil was in addition to nearly completely covering the costs of a heat pump system .

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's because heating oil is widely used in the Maritimes, and guess where a lot of Liberal seats are.

[-] SamuelRJankis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I agree that's probably the real reason behind the pause and I'm not even mad about them trying to gain some votes since they're going to need it the next election.

My problem is how poorly crafted the lie is. There's 158 MP's making 200k not including the additional staff they have access to and they end up making a ass out of themselves after being asked a few questions that's a ridiculous level of incompetence.

[-] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Had anyone seen any actual breakdown on the prices?

Like they say this oil is more expensive, but like how much more expensive to produce similar heat?

And I assume that heating oil is worse for the environment, but how much worse? And I assume this factors into how much more in carbon rebate transfers users needed to pay.

Seeing both sides going at it politically without any real numbers being used is just a waste of our time reading.

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

seen any actual breakdown on the prices?

Yep.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/heating-oil-carbon-tax-pei-1.7012855

"it would cost you about $48 to produce a GJ of heat at current P.E.I. prices, not including HST."

"Even paying some of the highest electricity rates in the country, Islanders with heat pumps pay about $18 to generate the same GJ of heat energy."

heating oil is worse for the environment, but how much worse?

Pretty significantly worse than natural gas, and natural gas is worse than electric, depending on the electrical grid of course. If you live somewhere that uses coal, well, natural gas might actually be better for the environment.
https://www.ny-engineers.com/blog/heat-source-comparison-heating-oil-and-natural-gas

Heating oil is one of the most expensive ways to heat your home, while also being among the worst for the environment.

[-] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

That's fantastic! Thanks! It's disappointing how rarely a news article goes into the details.

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