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[-] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago

Why would you need to do this if your cause and actions are just? What are they trying to hide? I hope more people see this and understand Israel is morally bankrupt.

[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago

It is normal to disrupt and jam all communication ahead of an invasion.

IEDs, tactical comms etc.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Makes it harder for news to spread, documenting warcrimes and genocide, etc

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Can nobody here think like a military just for one second and understand that they don't care about spread of information? That information will be leaked after the blackouts are over, nothing can change that. That blackout is purely so that Hamas would lose their communication capabilities. It's a classic proven war tactic and a totally legit one.

[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I know, but this would happen whether war crimes were intended or not.

[-] Szymon@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 years ago

You need to do this if your plan is to exterminate the Palestinians and move onto their land for your own purposes.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

Not to sound like an invasion apologist, but I’d imagine they want to limit the ability for IEDs to be remotely detonated.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago

Israel could have broken the back of Hamas by simply helping the Palestinian people develop a bit of infrastructure and economy. If the Palestinians have something worth losing, Hamas has no power. Hamas is as powerful as it is because of Israels policies over the last 20 years.

[-] shadysus@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago

Policies and direct funding

They've openly bragged about funding Hamas in order to keep the Palestinian population divided and prevent any kind of formal government from forming.

Hamas and Likud/Netanyahu need each other to stay in power. Without them, the people in the region may actually move towards peace.

[-] V17@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

And Hamas could have built Gazans an OK place to live in if they used the literally billions of dollars of foreign money for investments instead of for weapons and tunnels. Didn't happen either.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

With what economy?

Israel is a first world nation with a high performance technocratic economy. What does Palestine have to work with?

[-] V17@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We're again talking about what should have been done, and my point is that it's a pointless exercise, but if you really can't see any ways to build a functioning economy with literally billions of free money, then let's continue the exercise: about half of Palestinians used to have permits to work in Israel before Hamas fucked them over by attacking Israel. In the recent years the number of Israeli work permits has been increasing again, unfortunately Hamas decided to fuck them over again. So even if they had a small economy of their own, there was a way to work and bring money to then spend in Gaza.

But I find it really hard to believe you couldn't imagine a dozen things more useful for Gazans than things to wage war against Israel that ultimately only ever made their situation worse.

Another episode of "what should have been done" is that while with humanitarian aid it's not really possible, we never should have sent Gaza any development money without any conditions based on outcomes of their usage. But as with the above, what's done is done.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Ok, well, right now, Israel is a first world nation with a high performance technocratic economy and Palestine is rubble being ground into dust. Israel has the privilege to do better.

[-] V17@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what else they're supposed to do. After a terrorist attack like this one, I don't really see any other option that would realistically be accepted by the government and the population other than attempting to wipe out Hamas completely. Israel is risking many lives of Israeli soldiers in order to reduce Palestinian civilian casualties by deciding to do a terribly difficult ground invasion instead of levelling Gaza to rubble, Grozny style. I don't blame them for trying to make the situation at least a bit easier by blocking communication of all things.

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[-] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago

It also theoretically would cease some methods of communication between Hamas members.

Also not taking any sides here, just an explanation as to why communications get shut down during military conflicts.

[-] V17@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I get people are against the invasion, but if they cannot see legitimate and obvious reasons for restricting options of (human or machine) communications, they're either completely ideologically blinded or stupid.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

A simple two way radio would counter that, unless the are jamming all RF.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Hiding genocide.

[-] ilovesatan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I'm not supporting Israel or anything but denying your enemy the lines of communication is, like, one of the core tenants of warfare.

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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 44 points 2 years ago

Based on what Netanyahu posted this morning, they are likely planning on destroying the biggest hospital in Gaza and killing everyone there and in the surrounding area.

So, hundreds of deaths. And they want to prevent it from being recorded and shown to the rest of the world.

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

I doubt they're dumb enough to think that cutting off most real-time communication would prevent those images from coming out.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Nope, every other county is going to have video from drones, they will however just use it as leverage instead of evidence.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

Just a little theory: they might be waiting for most of the population to die from lack of food, water, and medical equipment, and the rest to join Hamas before the ground invasion. It wouldn't be a great look to go around killing civilians on the ground like they're doing in the West bank, but going around and freeing the area from Hamas terrorists? well, now we are talking.

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago

I don't know what you mean by "most of the population" but a million-plus people dying of dehydration, starvation, or treatable illness isn't a better look than people dying in a ground assault. If anything, it's more cruel. I'm not defending it (using food and water as a weapon against a population is a war crime) but I could make a case that increasing desperation could benefit them. If deaths are even a fraction of that though, their already-shaky international support would collapse.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

but a million-plus people dying of dehydration, starvation, or treatable illness isn’t a better look than people dying in a ground assault.

well you can just say: "It's a side effect of war, HAMAS can use those resources too! we cannot allow that to happen", but when your troops are on the ground and can see what they're killing Al-Jazeera becomes a problem.

The same can be applied to airstrikes: "They cannot see what they're hitting"

their already-shaky international support would collapse.

I can assure you that they can kill nearly anyone in the middle east at this point and that won't happen, they can kill an entire population and they will get away with it if they do it over a long enough period of time.

increasing desperation could benefit them.

You might be right, it looks like the invasion is very close.

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[-] nbafantest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That's a dumb theory

[-] blazera@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

Plus you know, the people being blown up

[-] rafa@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

They're not Americans so it's not important apparently

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

No oil? No cares.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago

Paltel was the last ISP standing and now it is kaput. Fairly common for Iran to turn off their internet after Friday prayers, but Gaza was caused by shelling.

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Ya'll can't think for a second from a military perspective.

No. This is not about hiding what they do - things will leak either way after the blackout is over - you can't erase data from people's devices.

This is a 100% legitimate war tactic of breaking your enemie's communication, making them less prepared for combat and catching them by suprise.

If ya'll are pro palestinian then you're also anti-Hamas, and that's a 100% anti-Hamas move. That's a good sign of Hamas about to take a massive hit.

[-] nbafantest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Hamas terrorists operate inside and under Shifa hospital and other hospitals in Gaza with a network of terror tunnels, Shifa is not the only hospital, it is one of many. Hamas use of hospitals is systematic. We have concrete evidence that hundreds of terrorists flooded into the hospital to hide there after the massacres

Nice going Hamas, the dildo of consequences of rarely comes lubed.

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