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[-] itsoveranakin_@piefed.zip 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't understand why you should use a proprietary WebKit browser on any OS that isn't by Apple. I've tried it out on my iPad because of the extensions support, but Ublock or any privacy-related extension didn't work, so I'll use Safari.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You should try reading the website because they tell you exactly that

https://help.kagi.com/orion/why-orion/orion-vs-safari.html

You don't need uBlock because that functionality is built into the browser by default.

[-] itsoveranakin_@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I tried the adblocker by Orion itself and it is way worse than Ublock Lite in Safari.

[-] KssioAug@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Yet Brave, Opera, Vivaldi and pretty much any other browser (Chromium or Gecko) allow you to use uBlock if you want, even if they have their own built in.

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

Keep in mind GNOME Web is worse than this when it's comes to functionality.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I checked it out but it's still very buggy. And I couldn't figure out how to disable first-party cookies. And also they proclaim that basically they don't bother with fingerprinting resistance because it's impossible to block , which is simply untrue.

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago

Where on that page do they claim that?

I am a dev (unrelated to this) and I do think it is impossible, on what grounds do you think it isn't?

[-] gnufuu@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They say it here, but I disagree. Fingerprinting is difficult to prevent but not impossible. Same thing as with malware: You'll never be 100% protected from malware, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions against it, does it?

Here's one way of testing how unique your fingerprint is.

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Never said we should not try, nor that it was pointless.

I just said it was impossible to avoid, but I agree we should not make it effortless

[-] gnufuu@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

One way of helping would be to tell people how to mitigate it. Telling them it's impossible does the exact opposite.

[-] Delilah 2 points 2 days ago

You are the one claiming it's possible, so you should be the one providing mitigation advice.

[-] gnufuu@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

The EFF provides pretty sound advice, see the 2nd link in my initial comment.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sorry I tried to link directly to the highlight but that feature is not supported in Orion:

it is literally impossible to prevent fingerprinting from a sophisticated fingerprinter if one is ever allowed to run.

Certain facets of fingerprinting are impossible to block but fingerprinting uses a hundred data points and randomizing just a few of them can be enough to throw it off, and this is what private browsers do.

Instead of removing or modifying browser differences, or adding troublesome permission prompts, the Brave browser will start adding subtle randomization to some fingerprinting endpoints. This privacy-through-randomization approach has been studied by privacy-focused computer scientists, most recently in the PriVaricator (Nikiforakis et al, WWW 2015) and FPRandom (Laperdrix et al, ESSoS 2017) projects. This is the first time those approaches are implemented in a mainstream browser.

This approach is fundamentally different from existing fingerprinting defense approaches; current approaches attempt to make all browsers look identical to websites (an impossible goal). Brave’s new approach aims to make every browser look completely unique, both between websites and between browsing sessions. By making your browser constantly appear different when browsing, websites are unable to link your browsing behavior, and are thus unable to track you on the Web.

https://brave.com/privacy-updates/3-fingerprint-randomization/

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago

Firefox and Chromium have had private browsing for ages and both are open source

[-] helix@feddit.org 24 points 3 days ago

Yes, but competition is good for innovation. They learn things we can all learn from, and the other browsers are harder to contribute to.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Very very beta still from my testing but I'm excited to see where it goes. I'm not aware of any other browsers that have forked off of modern* WebKit/Safari and the more diversity, the better.

*I know that the Blink engine was originally a fork of WebKit

[-] 4vr@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Biggest downside with Orion is unreliable extensions.

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