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[-] belochka@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I mean, the article actually says that they are not lying.

But the truth they are telling is that this kind of tools is like Yuuzhan-Vong assistants in Star Wars NJO era. It's just further in the direction of auto-complete and recommendations.

That's good. It also means that a real job can't be "done by AI".

It's another kind of data compression, in a very fundamental and general way.

It accelerates the most things that shouldn't be done at all. Boilerplate code that's written again and again because of wrong processes, which are taught as standard way of thinking and doing development. Other things that could be a higher-level programming/markup language or a library. Just a frontal way of solving things that were done by hand.

That's useful, one can't do everything by hand.

Just - things that require real human decisions, understanding, responsibility, choice, or semantic and semiotic context that has formed in the course of one's own life for like 20 years - that they can't do. And that's what forms a professional. They can extrapolate stuff that doesn't matter.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 12 points 10 hours ago

Here's a link to the exact same post on Cory Doctorow's (tracker-free) blog: https://pluralistic.net/2026/08/01/dare-snot/#i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

Work keeps insisting we use it and I keep telling them to fuck off.

I get more done than my colleagues BECAUSE i don't use the not-actually-AI "AI" tool.

[-] Sintinium@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago

Just use it for pointless reasons. Burn tokens the way they want you to. Money is the only language they speak, and models are getting expensive.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago
[-] tonywu@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

It’s how AI usage is measured and charged.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I can't say AI hasn't changed how I work, it has. Instead of going to Google, vendor docs, or the manpage for whatever code or system I am working on I will ask Claude or Gemini to take a stab at building the initial pass of the code or to look up what some cryptic error code means for me. Or even a better way to write some code that I think can be more concise.

The key I think is I never let it make the final decisions for me. The workflow is always look up information > shows it to me > ask for permission to do the thing > do the thing.

But none of that is "changing everything" in the way executives and the Sam Altman's of the world want to profess. It is just a sometimes more efficient for me way of doing the same thing I was doing before.

A lot of people I have seen that crow about how they are using AI to change their work lives are just doing really fancy Github workflows and actions to automate something they used to still do manually for some reason. They rarely are doing anything that couldn't be done with the time to research and test without AI.

[-] TehWorld@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

They didn’t have the framework knowledge before to automate the thing. It’s exactly where I was before AI. I knew that I could work more efficiently, but spending months learning Python was a lot slower than the 45 minutes, every other week I save by having a script do something for me. I don’t save enough budget to actually afford the time and effort to find a programmer, tell them what I need and then pay them to write it for me. Took 20 minutes worth of tweaking with the free tier of Claude and it was done to a “good enough” standard to save the time.

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

AI would be great if(currently its mixed for me,and whats the best thing you can do ATM ):

  • The Datacenters didnt drain like 3 oceans and half of the power grid(or used solar energy + air cooling only,the only way to solve this is Local LLMs currently or specific AI solutions that isnt ChatGPT or Gemini and so on. )
  • the LLM is not trained on copyrighted data(non-public domain) and not Paying the artists or not ask the original creator to train on their work.(Local LLMS partially solve this,and this requires specific LLMS too.)
  • People did not use AI mindlessly to write Code for you(well i think this requires the user to use their brain)

and so on...
and AI should stay as a "TOOL", not a full replacement for human work like most sane people do.
edit 1:
i forgot to mention AI is a big contributer to the AI crisis.

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[-] brianary@lemmy.zip 14 points 14 hours ago

I've seen nothing that AI can do that justifies the economic or ecological cost.

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 10 hours ago

I’ve seen nothing that AI can do that justifies the economic or ecological cost.

this sentence is worthy of being on a bumper sticker. very well said!

[-] failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to 3 points 10 hours ago

@floofloof

I can only speak to my own area of expertise, biotechnology

and it appears that AI is in fact changing everything and doing so fast eg

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aej8512

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aec2657

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 3 points 9 hours ago

This is cool, but it is a completely different kind of AI from LLMs.

[-] sthxdnn@thelemmy.club 22 points 17 hours ago

Honestly, I didn't jump on the AI hate train like everyone else did. And I was wrong. I literally only use it to make profile pictures on steam to make a sekiro photo. Other than I literally can live without it.

And at this point all of the damage it is doing to our communities; I am angry at this point that people in positions of power are blatantly ignoring the people they represent who say they don't want this. This is almost as bad as the epstein corruption. Just blatantly lying to our faces and ignoring frustration.

Not just ignoring it but trying to grift to their supporters that these 'contrarians' aren't Americans and flew in. I'm so unbelievably sick of conservative influence in my home country just using lies as a real mantra. Because everyone around me values money over anything else and it seems like they genuinely are dissonant and don't understand this is a bubble waiting to burst unlike anything we have ever seen.

[-] ill13@lemmy.ill13.com 15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

GIGO (garbage in, garbage out), likely coined in the late 1950's is just as relevant today.

You need to know how and understand to operate a handsaw to use a bandsaw or a mill. You need to understand variables, loops, strings before writing an "app" (and then you need to understand user models, security models, databases, UI / UX).

You can't "trust" AI / LLMs without first giving it fresh and relevant content -or it will make information up. You need to give it the important information for it to synthesize correctly -and that relevant info needs to be in the current context. You can't just ask a question and expect it to "do the research". You need domain expertise to be able to validate the response.

AI is just a tool to make it easier to use your existing tools.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago

AI is changing everything. Its not a lie, its absolute truth.

The problem is the changes are fuckawful terrible for everyone and everything.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 49 points 20 hours ago

AI has been helpful for my job, sure, but the cost in terms of societal damage is so great it makes me wish AI were never created.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 14 points 17 hours ago

^ This. This is the actual truth of it. You can always find a 500 person company that does a shit job at forced integration and you can find a 2000 user company that tied all their systems together and moved at paces that made everyone sick with risk. You can find individuals who tried to make copilot write micron code (horrible) and who used claude to write ansible code (~magic)

I love Doctorow, I read most of his stuff, I recently read Reverse Centaur, it had its informed moments. It made some strong points that stand out as to where using AI makes sense. It also has some perspective issues, being written by someone who focused on case studies with the worst possible outcomes. A lot of the same problems in this article.

AI can, in the right circumstances with the right needs, remove many manhours of tedious shitty labor, or it can be used by shitty people to vacantly crap out slop 24x7. It's only as useful as its implementation/workload.

But what never gets better is the societal and ecological impact. The slop pouring into journalism, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and the scams running with perfect English vocabulary. The shitty AF water and electricity usage. The corporate bribery. Those are along for the ride by default.

If AI went away, right this very moment, my job would grind to a snail's pace for months while we once again pivot back to another way improved but not unlike we did prior. We would have a man-century of meetings on how to recreate all the processes affordably. We are doing more now with fewer people, but they're paying more in tokens + labor. This is not to say that any of us would be horribly sad.

This article is based on a case study by one guy on a 500-person company that didn't want to implement AI and did a poor job of implementing it. Yeah, many of us work for some place like that and some of us work for places that got it working. That's the reason for the big divide. It's not always a delusional asshole lying about it working, it's about it working when engineers who have the right workload use it to solve their needs. Still too fucking expensive on all accounts.

AI is not worth the investment. It's not worth the money. It's not worth the damage. But the argument that it doesn't do anything because you see it do jack shit somewhere doesn't hold up to even light scrutiny.

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[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 57 points 22 hours ago

In my academic field of sustainability, AI still fails to explain what economic sustainability means. It's very simple.

I lecture and explain to my students that economic sustainability is about how we assess and manage our knowledge, innovations, wealth, and other man-made capital. I stress that it is ABSOLUTELY NOT profit and revenue.

Sure enough, my students submit assignments clearly written by AI that state economic sustainability is profit and revenue.

AI is regurgitating decades of green-washing and even bad academic articles that state economic sustainability is about profits. I use that AI god mode site to test several AI's at once and they've consistently gotten this wrong for 3 years.

[-] isleepinahammock 3 points 11 hours ago

I love your approach. This way, you don't even have to bust the students for using AI!

It's often very difficult to tell the difference between a student that uses AI and a student that performs a traditional search of the topic and just copies facts blindly and uncritically. AI writing detectors are simply not reliable enough to serve as the basis for a charge of academic misconduct. What do you do if you accuse someone of using AI, and it turns out they just happen to write in a style that's reminiscent of AI? What do you do if someone claims they just happen to write how an AI sounds? What if someone says they just used Grammerly, so now it's ambiguous what portion of their writing is their own? Academic misconduct and AI gets very thorny very quickly.

But your approach? Brilliant. Just give them a paper whose topic you taught them correctly, but you know AI will screw up. No need to affirmatively prove the cheater used AI. Just give the cheater a failing grade on the paper, because it clearly doesn't reflect what you taught them. They have no ability to later argue that they're innocent or lie that they did not in fact use AI. Their paper simply wasn't good enough to get a passing grade.

Honestly, it's pure genius. As a fellow educator, I commend you!

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago

i wonder how often they report them to the dean if a large amount of students cheat all at once.

[-] ID10T@programming.dev 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The trick that AI pulls is just that it is really good at appearing competent, and we as humans really bad at acknowledging how little we individually know about the world around us.

The easiest example to ask AI detailed questions about something that you know you have expertise in. If you try to test its limit, no matter what your particular expertise is, I’m confident that in 5-10 minutes you’ll realize it’s no more intelligent than an average Joe who spent their lunch break Googling the subject or maybe someone who read a book about it once.

To give credit where it’s due, that does mean that these AIs have a much wider breadth of knowledge than any one person could have and that is, objectively, very cool.

On the other hand, that’s why it’s so easy to believe that AI is this all-knowing oracle that can replace all of humanity. It can give you a way better answer in an instant about things you know nothing about than you ever could off the top of your head, so it seems unbelievable. It’s instant gratification that also feels really valuable.

Despite the trick that AI plays on our psychology, you could also just read a book or two or participate in any form of genuine learning, and it really doesn’t take long for you to outgrow whatever the AI is capable of. It takes a bit longer, but now you have grown your actual intelligence and you get to keep it for a $0/month subscription and they don’t need to build another data center in your backyard.

[-] LePoisson@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

The trick that AI pulls is just that it is really good at appearing competent

Yeah it's almost like the AI is an unthinking machine trying to model what a person would answer to the question (prompt) provided to it.

I'm so goddamn tired of people (not you) acting like an LLM "knows" anything nevermind whether it's right or wrong or could even tell you if it didn't know the answer. It's not like a person that can say, "I don't have that knowledge so I know any answer is likely wrong" the machine is going to give you an answer every time. That answer will never be "idk" it'll be whatever hallucination it's confident enough is right based on the model and training.

I do think there are use cases for it and the technology is cool but the vision being sold and propping up our economy with a venture capitalist circle jerk is so far removed from reality.

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[-] drahardja@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Meh, he’s one to talk. He admits to regularly using AI in his writing—maybe this very piece you’re reading—so it has clearly changed something in his workflow.

Nikhil Suresh’s opinion piece stands up on its own without Cory Doctorow’s platitudes.

[-] Slashme@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago

I typed into Google "potatoes pressure cooker" to get a reminder of how long to cook them. The AI told me, and correctly said that I should use the steamer sieve, but also told me to salt the water. The water that would be under the potatoes and that wouldn't touch them.

I asked why, and the AI said that little splashes of salt water from the boiling would land on the surface of the potatoes and salt them gently, that the salt would increase the boiling temperature, and that the vapour would be aromatic.

I pointed out that the amount of salt landing on the surface of the potatoes would be negligible, that the vapour is distilled water in gas form, and that the increase in boiling temperature from salting the water is less than 1°C. The AI said, oh yeah, you're right on all counts. Don't salt the water.

What it has been doing was exactly what an LLM does. It gave me the received wisdom from the internet.

That aligns with what Cory Doctorow was saying here, namely that all the AI successes were from people who already knew what they were doing and could use the AI as a tool. Not from people who had no clue and just let AI do the job.

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