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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 107 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is bad.

…But I’m very worried about the future of Wikipedia.

Questionable leadership or not, it is a lighthouse in the information dystopia of the 2020s, which literally helps hold society together.

The far right wants it gone, and are not shy about screaming it, because Wikipedia is not compatible with fascism.

If it becomes hated by the left too, and ignored by the masses because of Big Tech blacklists it, I worry it won’t have the political support to keep its prominence.


And to be clear, I’m not worried about it dying. Wikipedia will stay where it is for decades.

I’m worried about it ceasing to be popular.

It doesn’t function as a uncontrolled source of information if no one sees it. Modern fascist censorship works by simply shifting attention.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 52 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The Wikimedia foundation vastly outpaces expenses. Despite doing their best to convince you if you don't donate $10 right now Wikipedia will literally evaporate 🥺🙏

They can afford to not pay like shit

They're also wasting massive amounts of money on things outside their core mission and scope.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 6 days ago

some entries are already questionable asf. some of them are written like an opinon piece, or a hs essay.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 33 points 6 days ago

Wikipedia is made by people, like me and you. If you see bias or wrong information, you can either fix it or flag it with an appropriate template.

[-] MissyBee 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I really would like to, but German Wikipedia for example is something of an inner circle where you can't do shit. They don't allow newcomers to touch most of the articles.

[-] StillAlive@piefed.world 14 points 6 days ago

Reddit, Wikipedia, Fediverse... powertripping mods are everywhere.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Questionable leadership or not, it is a lighthouse in the information dystopia of the 2020s, which literally helps hold society together.

It pioneered a novel mechanism for collaborating on a project with minimal trust between contributors. But it was also riddled with bias and vulnerable to exploitation and as prone to cultivating disinformation as a universal source of truth.

Rather than fixating on the site as some last bastion of Web 1.0 nostalgia, we would do well to do better than Wikipedia.

Organizations like the Internet archive project have, imho, done as much or more than Wikipedia because of their commitment to accumulating primary source material. Managing that catalog and incorporating it into an encyclopedia of knowledge is much more than just stuffing a hard drive full of editor arguments and dead links from the old site.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well, unfortunately, there is no project like that with Wikipedia's critical mass. Most attempts with any attention are rather horrific. See: Grokipedia.

If Wikipedia dies, nothing good will replace it.

I know that's a bit defeatist, but I really think its "the best we got." Nothing better is coming with the state the internet is in now.


And I just want to emphasize that maybe a small community could build something better. I know.

But in terms of "keeping a healthy knowledge base for civilization," that kind of project doesn't matter if no-one sees it. Wikipedia is valuable because its a reasonably sane default reference for billions of people, that isn't some megacorp or government.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 6 days ago

Then they need to drop the losers behind this anti-union BS. This isn't a complicated problem. If they're against working people they don't deserve political support. Anyone who cares enough can rip the site and rehost it elsewhere anyway or preferably multiple elsewheres so we don't run into this issue again.

[-] tyranny@crazypeople.online 2 points 3 days ago

being more worried about the reputation of your fave than the quality of your fave, because you're so convinced it needs to exist, is how we get catholic church cover-ups and rightwing politicians transparently masquerading as populist socialists. value an insitution for what it is, not what you need it to be

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago

I can't tell if your're agreeing or disagreeing with me but them taking an anti-union shows their quality. If they aren't for working people then they have none and they don't need to exist. The information there can easily be re-homed elsewhere.

[-] tyranny@crazypeople.online 2 points 2 days ago

yeah sorry pal, i was trying to add onto what you were saying, in disagreeing with the comment you were replying to. wish I'd made that clearer. sorry for the confusion

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 2 days ago

No worries.

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 61 points 6 days ago

I don't understand this, the employees are few and the pr fallout + fighting this is much more expensive than just agreeing to what they demand

Plus it's a foundation and shouldn't have profit

[-] antonim@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

the employees are few

WMF has 650 employees.

What they're going to demand is preventing arbitrary layoffs, less bullying in the workspace, etc. Supposedly the Foundation is very toxic workplace. It's not (just) about the money.

[-] 4grams@awful.systems 33 points 6 days ago

Yet more evidence for my “never trust a self described libertarian” stance. Hasn’t failed me yet.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Might as well mirror the whole site, run it elsewhere where the suits don't have control over people.

[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 days ago

I have an old 2023 copy of Wikipedia saved to my NAS using kiwix. This is probably the most recent version I'll ever need. But yeah, it's long overdue for some healthy competition, conflicts have been brewing for over a decade at this point.

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[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

Cancelled my monthly. I'll start it again when I receive info that the workers have a union.

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[-] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 44 points 6 days ago

Wikimedia please fire whatever consulting firm told you it's a good idea to do extractive capitalism as a non-profit foundation, reliant on long-term community goodwill and sustainable work ethics with low turnover rate

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 47 points 6 days ago

I was initially 80/20 against/for Wikipedia's stance. I tentatively agreed with Wales' criticism of identity tracking for the initial vote, but needed more information to form a solid opinion. Then I saw the mention of their hiring a union busting firm in addition to their current relationship with a known union busting law firm.

Fuck them, 100%. I immediately cancelled my ongoing monthly donation, which I've provided for years. Until the Wikimedia Foundation recognizes their unionized employees and works with them in good faith, they will get not a penny from me

[-] man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Yeah I'm cancelling my donation immediately. Not that my $2.30/month will break their budget, but fuck them now.

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[-] Darcranium@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

Perfect timing. I just started donating to a new startup that seems as promising as Wikipedia once was. Nonprofit whose goal is to start their own universal basic income for users who don't want to wait for the government to start one. Now I can cancel my Wikipedia donations and not feel so bad

[-] Identikit@leminal.space 22 points 6 days ago

Well, tell us who this is so we can support the real ones!

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[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 32 points 6 days ago

I only donate from time to time but people who cancel recurring donations should write to them the reason as to why.

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[-] Eh_I@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

We should probably all be downloading the website and printing off the important stuff, like how to make fire and why the sky-spirits get mad sometimes.

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[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 24 points 6 days ago

I hate this. I really hate this.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Was wondering when they were going to enshittify.

Fuck you, Dimmy.

EDIT: just realized something. I listen to Cory Doctorow's podcast and he starts each episode off with a lengthy list of scheduled appearances. He's been mentioning an upcoming appearance with Jimmy Wales. Looked it up. They'll be on the same stage on August 17th. Wonder if this will come up.

[-] DudeWhoYapsTooMuch@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Wait wait wait, you mean the one place that literally shows the commentary of how unions actually do work, and show all of the evidence and STILL WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE UNIONS WHEN WORKING UNDER THEM? Holy shit, that's just evil. That's not stupid like a boomer or some tryhard trump supporter who clearly doesn't know anything. That's just evil.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Whats going on here? I read wikimedia's statement and they seem open to staff unionizing if the majority vote to be represented by CWA. Why are they hiring union busting lawyers?

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 days ago
[-] cantankerous_cashew@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Wikimedia definitely doesn’t need your money and hasn’t for years

[-] cabillaud@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Next headline: Wikipidia sends mobsters beating workers up during an information meeting.

[-] ErrorCode@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

God dammit. No more donations.

[-] tomkatt@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Fuck. Yet another company I donate to behaving like shitheels. Fuck. No more donations I guess.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 6 days ago

My rule of thumb is: donate to small developers, not large established projects.

Wikimedia Foundation does not run low on funds, and your donation is a drop in the bucket on their balance sheets.

For small projects and indie devs, your donation will have a much bigger impact.

[-] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago

I knew there was a reason I got a set of actual encyclopedias. Not new, nor as extensive, but it's in my hands so filthy rich assholes are gonna have to come to my door to stop me from having access to information

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 16 points 6 days ago

You can also download Wikipedia for offline use via Kiwix, so that you always have the snapshot that won't ever change and enshittify.

The whole English Wikipedia takes up about 110 gigs, and it's 110 gigs well spent.

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[-] grepe@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

the startups and nonprofits alike peak when it's the people who do the actual work that create them to solve the actual problems yhey have and they fall when a bunch of mba's take over to "make money"...

[-] amroth@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Oh, god damn it.

Canceled my donation.

[-] wikipediasuckscoop@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[-] Allero@lemmy.today 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Even better, do not fracture the already weakening Wikipedia community. Keep fork as a backup, but fight for Wikipedia itself.

Also, download an offline Wikipedia copy via Kiwix or similar tools. The entire English Wikipedia takes less space than a modern game, and having a snapshot might come in handy.

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