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“These weapons are incredible,” Trump said. “We have to be very careful about letting somebody build them. … You have to be very judicious, but you have to be very careful. … it’s a hard thing to give away that kind of technology, and I don’t think this would ever happen, but, you know, those people that you get that technology, they can someday turn on you. You know, that is possible.”

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[-] metermatic26@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just to clarify: the issue doesn’t concern the delivery of Patriot missiles but rather a deal to license Ukrainian and European firms to manufacture the missile themselves.

During the ongoing war between the US and Iran, the US depleted its stockpiles of Patriot missiles to dangerous levels, forcing it to resupply the US military and leaving it unable to supply their European allies.

Realistically it might take up to two years to set up a manufacturing base in Ukraine, but now that Trump has once again backtracked on his earlier deal, Ukraine (as well as NATO and US allies in the Pacific) will be forced to seek alternatives.

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 7 points 4 days ago

Thank you for elaborating, thats helpful context

[-] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We don't have any to spare because Iran has figured out how to overwhelm them.

I read the other day that our remaining stock of Patriots is so low that when US bases have missiles incoming, they essentially have to triage which ones they try to shoot down; if they don't think there are troops or personnel where the missile is going, they just let it hit.

Edit: .... And that's pay walled, apologies. It's referenced here as well: https://theintercept.com/2026/07/28/iran-missiles-drones-us-air-defenses/

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

Yeah, they use a flying lawnmower. This is something I've said many times on this platform which nobody seems to grasp.

If the missile you fire is worth ten times what it's intercepting, that's a problem for you, because your enemy can just keep firing cheap shit until you run out of missiles.

Even a successful intercept is a win for them, because you're down a million dollars, and they're down 60 grand.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Money is funny.

When Russia invaded Ukraine and their tractor factories retooled to make tanks, their GDP dropped tenfold. Because a tractor is worth ten times as much as a tank.

But the people who put their boots on and go to work and weld metal shit...continued to put their boots on and go to work and weld metal shit.

Edit: I would also like to point out, as the guy that you commented on did in a roundabout way, the calculation is not $Missile </> $Interceptor. The calculation is $Missile </> $Interceptor + $Target.

[-] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 5 points 4 days ago

what tractor is worth ten times as much as what tank?!

[-] HydraulicMonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I believe the point was that a tractor's economic output is 10x a tanks, not the initial cost of each.

[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago

A tank's economic output is zero. A tractor is infinitely more beneficial.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

There's a couple Ohio senators that represent one of the few places that welds military-grade armor in the US that would strongly disagree with that assessment.

There's a reason the army gets more tanks than they know what to do with, and part of that reason is maintaining expertise that takes decades to develop.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

We don’t have any to spare because Iran has figured out how to overwhelm them.

Hell yeah dude, death to America!

[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 13 points 4 days ago

He likes them with smaller steps.

He's afraid of people that could fight back.

Got it.

[-] YouTalkinToMe@lemmy.wtf 15 points 4 days ago
[-] thallamabond@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Most certianly. Look at his responce when asked about Zelensky's allegation that Russia is helping Iran with targeting.

"We'll find out if that's true," Trump said. "I'll ask Putin about it. We'll find out."

Now by itself that's not a big suprise, but this news is from 7-27-2026. Here is a different quote from trump just 4 months prior 3-13-2026

President Donald Trump on Friday said he believed that Russian leader Vladimir Putin is helping Iran in its war against the United States and Israel.

Trump’s comment came in a radio interview with Fox News host Brian Kilmeade, and a week after the president lashed out at Fox News reporter Peter Doocy for asking him at the White House about reports that Russia was aiding Iran.

Kilmeade asked Trump on Friday, “You think Putin is helping them?”

Trump replied, “I think he might be helping them a bit, yeah.”

“I guess, and he probably thinks we’re helping Ukraine, right?” Trump continued.

Sources: https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-says-hell-ask-putin-191124647.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/13/trump-iran-war-putin-russia.html

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

How does he envisage surface-to-air missiles being used against him by current allies? Defending Greenland from a US invasion?

[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 days ago

Suck shit, Donald.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It IS a big step.

Not like launching an unprovoked war of choice with no goal or plan against an adversary over whom you basically have no leverage just because you don't like the last guy who negotiated with them.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

We got this guy Not Sure.

[-] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago

8647 can’t come soon enough

[-] plyth@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

When the US fights China they will wish to have Ukraine enhanced Patriot missiles. Like drones are quickly improving in Ukraine, the missiles would get better fast, too.

[-] metermatic26@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Fight China? Nah…he’ll just make a deal with them. He’s good at that sort of thing. Making deals 🤡

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago

I think it's the opposite. Trump's madness is a distraction while the USA are systematically preparing their war with China.

Here's a crazy thought, how about the US fucks off back to its own shores and quits starting fights with the rest of the world?

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

How about the rest of the world sanctions America and Israel out of existence and we can have a century of peace? Balkanize the states and let them fucking figure it out themselves.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

The USA are preparing to copy China - cracking down on free speech, free press, dissent, etc. They're befriending all of China's allies while attacking all of China's enemies, including NATO.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Lmfao, what the fuck?

[-] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

befriending all of China’s allies

Which makes sense.

attacking all of China’s enemies

Who? Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, Russia are Chinese allies or neutral.

including NATO.

They don't. They are pushing Nato to get ready for the war.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Lmao, the US can't beat Iran, let alone think about a war with China. America is cooked.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Sounds like Ukraine will just have to do it themselves again.

Lots of customers looking for something alternative to Patriot and S-400...

[-] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

Holy shit, I didn't realize he had the capability to use the word "judicious" properly. Someone's hooked on monkey phonics during iPad time.

[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

I thought this was a done deal already. Sounds like they are walking the licensing deal back? Fuck Trump and everyone involved. It's unconscionable. Civilians are dying daily in Ukrainian cities.

[-] Photonic@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

This is Donald Trump we’re talking about. Things that may be true one day are completely bogus the next and everyone who mentions it is a despicable person for even bringing it up. This man doesn’t know what keeping your word even means. He thinks following through with something because you promised it is a sign of weakness, because why wouldn’t you double-cross somebody and change the rules after the game is over if you’re going to get a better deal out of it?

[-] numbermess@fedia.io 5 points 4 days ago

The real art of the deal is that there is no deal until he decides that there is one. When that happens, the deal springs instantly into existence under whatever terms he wants (strongly/powerfully/etc.) and you are immediately in breach.

[-] Mannimarco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

Deals mean fucking nothing

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

This is all some "will they, won't they shit" intended to keep this war going forever, if possible.

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

He's not sure about giving them because no one is sure we still have them.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We know the US basically depleted their stockpile in the war with Iran.
This is a promise the US made to Ukraine after that to allow them to manufacture the missiles domestically, which Trump is now seemingly reneging on.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago

thats because putin called him to stop or will start siccing his troll farm against him.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Hell yeah, fuck America and fuck Ukraine ✌️

[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago

Username does not check out.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Fucking right.

[-] michaelalf@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Had me in the first half...

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Also, explain your position, lol. America is bad, but also, American propaganda is correct?

[-] michaelalf@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Ukraine being a victim of Russia's aggression is not "American propaganda. If that's your point, it's a fucking dumb one. Do you also believe Israel is the victim in their genocide against the Palestinians?

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

America is bad, and the guys they say are bad.. Are also bad?

[-] michaelalf@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Ahh, I didn't notice the instance... Get some rest Vlad, there's plenty more work in the troll farms tomorrow.

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Shut up mike, you've got work tomorrow. Can't afford to lose your healthcare, am I right?

You know I'm from a country that ranks better than yours in every important metric, right, Mike? Not every socialist is from scary Russia or China.

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