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[-] ninja@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago

What a terrible analogy. Cannibalism can be, arguably, justified. Starving people will do things to survive. I don't really care what happens to my body after I die and don't hold dead bodies to be especially sacred. I can consent to being eaten after I die.

There's no argument, no circumstances, no valid logic that can say rape is ok.

[-] bloogoose@lemmy.zip 57 points 1 week ago

This is one of those replies that misses the forest for the trees.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

Except not really cause men love to argue about semantics and technicallities. So the metaphor should be man proof as well as accurate.

[-] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

This comment is a sweeping generalization, and still qualifies as sexist. Being deliberately misandristic isn’t going to help anyone.

[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

it certainly helps bring awareness to the fact that men are literally trained from birth to provide responses such as these to downplay women's experiences.

believe it or not, many men are not aware of this, and think they are being clever or playing devils advocate, when in reality, it aims to invalidate entire scenarios on a "technicality".

honestly if you think a proven statement like men invalidating women's experiences is sexist or is misandry you should probably take a step back and realize you're one of them.

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I want to empathize with you because the issues you describe clearly do exist in some, probably most, societies and in large parts, but if you can't see it's legitimately sexist and generalized... I'm not sure what I could say to alleviate that bais for you. Like, it's just a simple truth that you're painting with far too broad a brush.

[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

ah yes. when men invalidate women's experiences it's a societal problem. when women call them out it's sexist.

you don't see the dichotomy there?

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I never said women cannot call out a man doing anything of that nature, but to imply that it is all men is being sexist, by definition. Surely you see that? It would be the same if I said all women do x, all men do y, all whatever do ______.

[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

all men who are socialized male are vulnerable to this unless they address it. is that better for you?

go take this energy and put it towards addressing this in your peers. I guarantee it's there, and I guarantee at some point you've seen it. did you address it when it wasn't from your mouth and it was easier to ignore?

words on the Internet mean nothing. go outside, make a difference, so we can finally stop having this dumb fucking argument whenever a dude is asked to stop being a douchebag.

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

You have no right to demand of my time, nor assume such broad statements, and yes, I did address. I'm addressing it now with you, I address it. I don't know why you're choosing ignorance and hostility.

[-] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

I see your point and I am tempted to refute it but I don't have any way to do so without giving you the sensation I'm an horrible person

[-] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
[-] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

I'm starving for some sex

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[-] Anyways@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago

My husband saw this quote and his immediate response was “No. Cannibalism has no personal place in our minds. Young men need to be socialized in such a way that rape is as obscene as castration.”

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Bestiality is another good option imo.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Furries have entered the chat

[-] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Well we kill and eat animals so by that logic... I don't think you'd want to go there.

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[-] BitUnWise@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

Beastiality is a subset of rape IMO, at least I'd see nothing wrong with it if animals could consent

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[-] P1k1e@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

Look man..... This ain't a fair comparison. How's a guy to eat the rich when you compare it to rape so casually!?

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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

I think this is out of touch.

Literally every young man you go ask will confidently affirm "of course rape is bad"

The issue is they don't know what counts as rape.

"What if theyre really into you but also really drunk, but asks you to have set with them?"

"What about if theyre seventeen and you are nineteen but you are their coach?"

"What if you are both super high?"

"What if she says no at first but after you are persistent for an hour and she gives up and lets you have sex with her"

"What if you are both adults but you are her manager at work?"

Theres a lot of scenarios that are, indeed, rape, but a lot of young men would be shocked to learn that count.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I think some of your examples are poor. Managers and co-workers can hook up if they are consenting. Yes the manager has power over them, but especially in a big company that power isn't majorly significant. Its also possible the underling is sleeping with the manager consentually for their own benefit and gain. Power dynamics can be bad but are not inherently rape.

Now that manager starts using raises, prefered shifts or whatever else to gain sex, thats a different story.

For inedbriation like if we are both super high, first time is questionable, but sexual partners that have been together for years and get high every day? Probably okay in most scenarios.

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I never said all of my examples were rape, merely that young men would struggle and argue over which is which, because of a lack of education.

Many young and even grown men will even argue zero of the examples are rape (definitely incorrect)

Which is imo the real issue. This should be pretty decidedly taught in schools so both men and women grow up knowing what rape even is.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The way you phrased your comment didn't make that clear. It reads as if you are listing scenarios that count as rape, not factors that should be considered.

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[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

As a man who already thinks like this I feel like I'm stuck inside some kind of limbo where I'm complicit because I'm a man but expected to be silent because I'm not the type of man they're referring to.

[-] orioler25@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

You could like, make sure you challenge other men. That's kind of the issue, it's not that there's too many men who do this to require this response, but that the vast majority of men are more afraid of confronting other men than they are being silent about something they're morally apprehensive about.

Pretty sure that's the like, one of the main things that sexual violence prevention education and research targets is that men are overwhelmingly complicit in rape culture.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Like the above comment I am also a man who already finds the idea of rape abhorrent, and always did. This is also true, as far as I am able to discern, of all my friends and people I regularly associate with.

But I'm still in the described situation, where the prevalent messaging implies that I am somehow complicit and not doing enough. Am I expected to interrogate my coworkers and people on the street just in case, so I can confront them on these opinions if they happen to have them? Clearly not, but there's still this unspoken pressure that I should be doing more, and I have no idea what that looks like.

edit: Making this comment was a mistake.

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[-] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You're not complicit just because you're a man. You can't take responsibility for billions of men.

[-] Baggie@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

You aren't complicit because you're a man, not to belittle your feelings though. I get uncomfortable around generalised terms in regards to gender issues, because I was always told never to do that, but it's something I similarly have to deal with.

Sometimes the conversation doesn't require your voice, and that's okay. Ideal even. If there are people with more skin in the game, they're more than welcome to have their say in my eyes.

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[-] wador@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

Isnt this just virtue signalling? I mean, there are a lot of things that are really really bad and some things are so subjective.

I hope rape is objectively bad, but this is just like saying "what if we could bring up kids in a way that they think war is bad".

Wow wador! What a quote!

[-] Quokka@quokk.au 31 points 1 week ago

“Virtue signalling”? Kinda telling using such language. I understand misogyny is a tough concept to grasp for many men, who often deny it exists and how pervasive it is - so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

But no, this is saying that how we socialise topics is important. And that society at large enables men to get away with such behaviour and by extent promotes it as acceptable.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Virtue signaling is absolutely a thing. It just happens to be used incorrectly as a term by those who do it most often. Thus is often devalued as a concept.

[-] wador@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

I don't know how else to explain my point. It's like having a bumper sticker with the text "fuck cancer".

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I think you used appropriate language and they're just being rather silly.

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[-] femtek 11 points 1 week ago

I mean you can see all the hate people have for being brought up hating queer people. What if we swapped and rapists were hated by the church instead.

[-] Zikeji@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

What do you mean you "hope" rape is objectively bad? Can you expand on that? I find that phrasing to be... Weird

[-] wador@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

I mean that I hope everyone understand that it's bad. Like an absolute bad thing.

[-] araneae@beehaw.org 5 points 1 week ago

This individual thinks a passage from a book about how common rape is must be virtue signalling because people already know about rape culture and is rudely farting this useless, nasty sentiment out loud

[-] adhocfungus@midwest.social 17 points 1 week ago

I never thought about it that way. There's nothing physically stopping cannibalism, so it's horrifying to us due to almost ubiquitous social pressure.

So clearly we have the capability to make these changes and society just doesn't see it as important. Maybe that should give me hope but honestly this just makes me more disgusted.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

There isn't exactly a physical/psychological base drive to eat other people though. People desire sex. They do not generally desire eating someone, and are generally well fed. If you took a sample of everyone who has ever been starving to death, I think you would find a much higher preponderance of cannibalism.

Not disagreeing necessarily, just pointing out that there is a slightly different reason for the two things happening.

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[-] adibou@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

If the files told anything, it's that eating human flesh is one of the gazillionaire's delicacies.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

I think that cannibalism is acceptable in extreme circumstances.

That other shit though can fuck all the way off.

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[-] treesquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Great, now the manosphere is going to start advocating for cannibalism

[-] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I would absolutely try cannibalism, if I had consent from the person and they were going to die anyways, and it was prepared by a professional chef... And I had some salt in case it was too bland

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[-] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I really hate how society deals with rape. It's like 1\3 of the time it's mentioned it's part of a joke.

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