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The average life expectancy for a Russian soldier in Ukraine is between 20-30 minutes, CIA director John Ratcliffe said. Speaking at a defense summit in Pennsylvania, he attributed the deadly conditions for Vladimir Putin's forces to Ukraine's combat drones equipped with AI. "What I would say is, our intelligence is consistent with some of the open-source reporting you may have seen in Ukraine," Ratcliffe said.  "So the average life expectancy of a Russian recruit, right now, arriving on the battlefield in Ukraine, is estimated to be between 20 and 30 minutes." "And that's because AI-powered drones have gotten to be such specialized, low-cost killing machines. And it's why we're now four and a half years into that conflict," Ratcliffe added. Ukraine said this month that Russia has lost about 1.4 million soldiers since the beginning of its full-scale invasion, with over 1,000 of the Kremlin's troops killed or wounded almost every day.  In May, Ukraine's defense ministry said it was killing roughly 200 Russian soldiers for every kilometer of territory that Moscow claimed.

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 hour ago

Ok I would make fun of Russia but I would rather not believe a CIA spook who's probably a trump appointee, of all people.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 12 points 6 hours ago

The reason we're 4½ years into the conflict is that Putin is a piece of shit

[-] baller_w@lemmy.zip 29 points 11 hours ago

Honestly, my heart goes out to all these people. Every person on both sides of this senseless invasion is a person. They have parents who probably love them and want to see them again. Friends, siblings likely.

Also, Russia has a long history of conscription, right? I’m wondering how many of these soldiers want to be there.

So much senseless violence and loss of life on both sides, and for what? It’s gross.

[-] Nautalax@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There hasn’t been much conscription on the Russian side (though recently that’s changing) because conscription is tremendously politically unpopular, most people joined the war on that side by willingly signing a contract because they’re offering huge sums of money compared to what Russian people outside of the biggest cities can make.

[-] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

ICE is operating the same way

[-] weew@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Probably a clause in the contract that they only get paid after returning from combat

[-] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

No, they just don't really bother actually paying it out that much or the officer just takes it.

Life is cheap in that part of the world

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

The Russian people need to start saying “no”. Putin is dweeby little nothing of a creature, not a powerful sorceror. Without people to do the evil for him there is nothing.

This, in fact, is a message to all the people in the world who are just thugs for their own nasty piece of shit “leaders”.

[-] sen@lemmy.zip 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

If the current quality of life for young adult males in Russia isn't an eye opener for those who flirt with authoritarian leaders "for the lulz" I don't know what will get through to them.

You're not special, dear leader isn't going to offer your uneducated ass a seat at the table - you're canon fodder. End.

[-] interesting@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago

is it the reason that Ukraine get more body on exchanges?

The swap took place at the Novaya Guta border checkpoint in Gomel Oblast, with Russia handing over 501 bodies of fallen soldiers and Ukraine returning 31 bodies of Russian servicemen.

https://thedefensepost.com/2026/07/17/ukraine-bodies-from-russia/

Not much left of Russian soldier bodies after they are killed by a Ukrainian drone. A few scraps, usually if they haven't burned up in the fire started by camp stove fuel immediately after the drone explodes.

[-] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 6 points 12 hours ago

Are you ready yourself to join the front lines and get killed in less than 30 minutes?

If not you shouldn't advocate for war.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This is great for Ukraine, but not so hot for the future of warfare. We may have to get good at building EMPs for when the urban pacification terminators come.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

but not so hot for the future of warfare.

Maybe the future of warfare is to figure out a better way for people to settle their differences.

That would, of course, mean we would first have to figure out how to prevent narcissistic megalomaniacs from being in positions of power.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 17 points 19 hours ago

yeah I can't help but read all this as very bad news indeed in the longer term. There's nothing stopping Russia, North Korea, or indeed any random manchild billionaire deploying this tech within the coming months or years and deciding who they think should die. It's not like nukes which are difficult to get material for and difficult to build. Most of the advanced stuff is the software, which can be easily copied.

[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 2 points 19 hours ago

What was stopping russia to deploy it a year ago?

[-] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 17 hours ago

Like now, they don't have the AI technology.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

This isn’t AI related. Russia was counting on a fast win to steal the resources they would need to lock it in. They didn’t get one.

[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago

What i mean is they know about it and had opportunity to do it too, but they didn't. That means there is something else they are missing

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Or they miss nothing but they are not as cruel and dystopian as our media presents them.

[-] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

So they are choosing to lose thousands of soldiers everyday because it would be cruel to use more effective weapons? What the fuck are you talking about?

[-] k0e3@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

Right, they decided to invade out of love.

[-] Magnum@infosec.pub 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Hahahaha, yes the Russians will concede because of morality

[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago
[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

So, what's the better explanation?

[-] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Soldiers are cheaper.

[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago
[-] motruck@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago
[-] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Why? I haven't heard about existing autonomously flying killer drones yet. Why should Russia have them?

[-] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

If drones are operated fiber optically, does an EMP even work?

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 20 points 19 hours ago

You're confusing communication with what EMP is really good at - frying digital circuits

[-] busted_Anoose@aussie.zone 7 points 17 hours ago

EMP destroys electronics. The fibre optics, plastic and metal will all be ok. the circuit boards will all be fried. Future drones will no doubt have emp protections, but its still early days

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Emps are good, but they don’t care if you are friend or foe, or civilian infrastructure and it doesn’t stop when it hits its intended target. So itll probably take out the next few Km’s

So you can probably just shoot it forward on the frontlines. But thats not really how drone warfare works alot of the time

[-] busted_Anoose@aussie.zone 13 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Pop goes the weasels. It's only a matter of time before these start being used in other countries for assassinations. scary future indeed.

Street Justice for white collar criminals like Martin Skreli..

[-] 0x0@infosec.pub 6 points 16 hours ago

Jammers for personal use is going to get so hot

[-] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

~~Jammers~~ Falconry for personal use is going to get so hot.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 12 points 16 hours ago

They have fiberoptic cables, good luck jamming that.

[-] Lewo@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

The source of this claim is a tiny anonymous telegram channel, that was then cited by NY Post, which was then presumably quoted by Ratcliffe.

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 5 points 16 hours ago

It seems from HIS quote that he was referencing the CIAs own sources

“Our intelligence is consistent with some of the open-source reporting you may have seen in Ukraine,” Ratcliffe said

[-] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Russia has never been more ripe for annexation by the USA. Unfortunately, republicans and conservative dems are literal dogs for putin.

This would end most of the election tampering happening in the world. Stop the meddling with subsea lines near russia. As well as end some proxy wars.

[-] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago

Attempting to annex Russia would end more than just election interference.

[-] Magnum@infosec.pub 8 points 12 hours ago

It will most probably end the world, yes.

[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

Keep in mind this statement is coming from Trump's CIA.

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[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago

Call of duty: drop and pop

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