I will repost what I wrote above:

First of all, Iran is not now, nor has it ever been, interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. I am not talking about some pie-in-the-sky hippie talk on some stoned out guy who doesn’t know what year it is, but this is based on the intelligence reports of the CIA and without question probably MI6, CSIS, the French DGSE and others. There is no nuclear weapons program.

They are still holding onto the claim that they want no nuclear weapons even if at this point in time it might actually make sense for them to actually WANT nukes, given the sheer bullshit the US and Israel is doing now they might actually have a fully logical justification for wanting it. Not because they want to nuke Europe or establish some global Shia caliphate, but simply as a way of holding up the same gun being held against them.

Prior to the 1979 revolution, Israel and Iran were actually allies. The main reason was due to the anti-Arabism and opposition to Arab nationalism of the Shah’s regime that acted as a major thorn in their neighbor’s sides. After the revolution this changed for obvious reasons. For a while Saddam was ‘our man in the Middle East’ due to the Iran-Iraq war (which I do not believe was instigated by the CIA. Saddam did that on his own feeling he can acquire more territory due to the rapidly changing and weakened position Iran had at the time), but Israel also always hated Iraq from the get-go and has been doing to them what they wish they could have been doing to the Iranians from day one. Constantly committing terrorism and bombing against Iraq when they had even the slightest interest in their own nuclear energy program (they bombed them in the 60s or 70s and killed some French nuclear scientists).

The main thing they have wanted with Iran now is the same thing they wanted from day 1 in 1979. They want to turn Iran into a failed state. They want internal chaos, people killing each other over nothing, and unable to organize in any shape or form. This is what they have done to Iraq post-first Gulf War (1990s Iraq was a shithole) and post-2003 Iraq War (which effectively turned the place into a quagmire from which it might not recover from for multiple lifetimes).

Second of all, yes… it is a shades of grey situation. But it isn’t what you think. I do not now, nor have I ever, supported the authoritarian religious rulers of Iran, anymore than I would have supported the authoritarian secular ruler of Iran pre-1979. Both were brutal in very similar ways.

But one thing I do not understand is how anyone, whether they are some random middle aged lemmiverse user like myself, or a leader of a large and fairly important country like Canada, could possibly think that ANY of this is a good idea for the reasons they think. The only fucking reason Iran is being attacked like this is because Netenyahu has the US by the balls (and his hands aren’t fully off yet) and he’s forcing this action because he has an aging absolute moron who is readily and easily bribeable in power, and the people he appointed are braindead ideologically driven religious fanatics and racials supremacists who would rather see the whole world burn in nuclear hellfire (or human-induced hellfire) than see a single non-white people not behave like Stepin Fetchit.

Does Carney really think that by doing what they’re doing now they’re going to actually liberate Iran? I am not a political scientist, but I have been watching political news for my entire adult life (even going before I was an adult) and one thing I learned is this: No matter how shitty a regime is to its people, the INSTANT they are under foreign attack, people will rally to the flag and behind the same shitty leader that had his army shoot at them barely days before. It happened with Saddam, it happened in Vietnam before it, it happened in Nazi Germany during WW2 (the post-WW2 guilty didn’t start until a new generation grew up after the war and it only got started in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to that the average German really didn’t know about Auschwitz and the majority opinion was denail of the holocaust).

I am not immune to it either. I fucking hated Trudeau for his lackluster reaction to the housing crisis that is effecting me every single day, and his gun laws that are both expensive and ineffective… but at the same when Trump started talking about Annexing Canada and Trudeau said ‘not a snowball’s chance in hell of Canada becoming the 51st state’ I couldn’t help but be supportive of him.

Carney’s support for the war is not based on humanitarian grounds or the belief that the religious regime should be overthrown because it will result in better lives for the average Iranian. Carney does not give one singular DAMN about the average Canadian at home. I will say it again. He is 100% interested in protecting the economic, military, and political hegemony of western banks over everything else. He will send the entire Iranian population to hell if it meant saving a single dollar for the banks.

There are more kinds of wars than shooting wars.

Even if they are, so what?

If you were looking at a different country that was actively being bullied, would you argue some crap about centralizing power?

If Denmark started centralizing power in response to trumps threats to the sovereignty of greenland, then what?

You talk like this is a problem that government is responding to external existential threats in the means that are available to them.

Are you arguing the Carney government should relinquish power?

Should they decentralize their capacity to influence things inside the country?

Perhaps you can answer just this.

What is your point?

Just in case that's a real question, the mods of, and the vast majority of subscribers to lemmy.ml have a weird counter-factual view of the world usually referred to (pejoratively) as "tankies". ML is the domain chosen because it (also) stands for marxist-leninist.

Tankies seem to think that Russia continues the USSR's fight for communism which isweird given Russia is a kleptocratic dictatorship closer to the US model than socialist let alone communist.

They do, accurately, view the US as one of the primary threats to world peace, but then indulge in all sorts of odd double think to make reality look like their desire for an imminent communist conversion of the world driven by mother russia.

The ability to pretend Putain is anything other than a fascist dictator puzzles me, but anyway:

TL;DR

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