There’s a similar incentive to this Windows 11 one, but for macOS. Yikes.
Not sure why that warrants a yikes; macOS is far more usable than Windows 11. I’d go so far as to call it downright pleasant in comparison.
There’s a similar incentive to this Windows 11 one, but for macOS. Yikes.
Not sure why that warrants a yikes; macOS is far more usable than Windows 11. I’d go so far as to call it downright pleasant in comparison.
Maybe it's because I'm more used to windows but my experience any time I've had to use mac at work is I'd rather just be fired. At least with a bit of work you can set windows up to mostly fuck off but I've never figured out how to do that with mac so it aggressively gets in my way when coding and doing qa
In what ways does it aggressively get in your way?
I hate the multi desktop stuff.
Drag a window to top of screen and it doesn't snap full screen fast enough or consistantly.
Doesn't like to display 1 window across 2 screens.
Sometimes a window will shoot off to the side past the visible desktop for god knows what reason.
You can't nativly set up the mouse scroll to work in reverse direction to the touch pad.
I'm still not sure how to uninstall things.
When my headphone cable is plugged in and I turn on the Mac it insists to make the boot sound though the speakers as an advertizment to the world that there is a Mac around.
If I click x on a browser or app, it doesnt actually shut the program, it just minimizes it.
I can't easily see the size of hard drives/folders and how much space is left available.
Files are just scattered willy nilly in a folder instead of snapped to a grid unless I set that folders defaults...per folder?! Instead of across the whole OS
They are my personal top of mind gripes.
Longtime Mac user here. Most of this is valid, and some of these are my biggest gripes.
A couple tips:
I can’t easily see the size of hard drives/folders and how much space is left available.
In the Finder, go to View > Show Status Bar. That'll show you free space easily. (This used to be on by default. I don't remember when they changed it, probably with 10.7 Lion's increased iOS-ification.)
Files are just scattered willy nilly in a folder instead of snapped to a grid unless I set that folders defaults…per folder?!
From a Finder window in icon view, go to View > Show View Options. Select Sort By > Snap to Grid, then click "Use as Defaults". Then it will apply to all your folders that use the default view. Why is "Snap to grid" under "Sort" when it does not sort? WHO KNOWS?!
That said, icon view suuuuuucks. Learn to love list view and you will be happier for it. I gave up on icon view like 25 years ago, after migrating from Mac OS 9. Apple half-assedly ported the Mac OS 9 Finder, and then proceeded to neglect it for a decade or two. At least you can change the grid spacing now.
Doesn’t like to display 1 window across 2 screens.
I'm not totally sure how it works now, but I think this changes if you go to System Settings > Desktop and Dock and turn off the "Displays have Separate Spaces" box.
I’m still not sure how to uninstall things.
There's no universal method. :(
Basic case: just drag the app to the trash. This will leave your user settings in place in ~/Library/Preferences.
Complex cases should have a vendor-supplied uninstaller. For manual cleanup, you have to hunt through your /Library and ~/Library folders to delete related junk from the vendor. Mostly this will be in the LaunchAgents and Application Support folders. But again, no universal method.
If I click x on a browser or app, it doesnt actually shut the program, it just minimizes it.
This is the one thing I strongly disagree about, although I totally understand how it feels wrong when you've spent years learning different behavior.
It's one of the biggest fundamental differences between Mac and Windows UI design, going all the way back to the 80s: Windows is window-centric (I mean...hence the name, right?), while Mac OS is application-centric.
You can still interact with Mac applications with no windows open, via the menu bar. Closing a window and quitting an application are two entirely different concepts. This is not the same as "minimizing" the app. An app can be in the foreground with no open windows. There are plenty of times when I close the last window in an app with the intent to continue using the app (e.g. opening another file or creating a new one).
Fun fact: many years ago, Apple made a few of their apps behave this way by default, with an option to change it back to normal Mac behavior. TextEdit, Preview, and maybe QuickTime Player. Just those few. I guess they wanted to accommodate Windows users' expectations, but it was so half-assed that all it did was ensure that everyone was confused at some point by the inconsistency. They only recently changed it back so we have consistency by default again, but now there's no option at all. Go figure. I wouldn't mind if they implemented an option in a whole-assed way, but I'd go absolutely batty if Windows-like behavior were forced on me.
Coming from an IT background. I 100% agree with this assessment.
These seem like mostly familiarity issues, where Windows issues are malicious in nature.
No, OS X aggressively resists customization or convenience. There's the Apple way to do pretty much everything and the painful way which is anything but the Apple way. Windows is anti-consumer because they want to harvest your data and cram ads down your throat. OS X just doesn't care what you want or what you would prefer and will actively punish you if you attempt to deviate from the way it thinks you should be doing things. If something doesn't work the way you want tough, OS X makes you adapt to it rather than trying to adapt to you.
Most annoying thing for me was their file explorer thing. It's as if I'm on a phone. It's not a real file explorer.
I think real mac users have to buy third party software so they can have an actual file explorer..
Maybe everyone has their biases, but MacOS is often terrible in comparison to Windows, at least in my experience. Hell simply things like snapping windows appropriately MacOS absolutely is trash at still.
On average, yeah, but when it's worse, it's the most bafflingly bad.
Like why is the only way to be able to open files in a hidden folder to remember a keyboard shortcut? There's no icon, and you can't type a subfolder name.
Windows’ weird UX of having that temporary view setting in the context menu makes no sense, but at least I don't have to Google how to do it every time.
For someone used to desktop Linux, where respect for the user, consistency, customisability, and performance are still held in high regard, Windows 11 feels like an endless string of punches in the face.
I've been a computer geek since 1987. I started out on dos and spent a lot of my time in Windows, but I've used Linux as well for more than 25 years now.
This article was as useless and as stupid as I anticipated. They clearly are happy in Linux and they were not going to be happy in Windows.
I'm quite happy in both. I like both. I think there's advantages and disadvantages to both. I will definitely say that there are some things I really prefer in Linux. But in recent years, a lot of that I've gotten to incorporate over on the window side things.
I now have bash under Windows. I have the compose key under Windows thanks to a third party utility called wincompose. It's free.
It doesn't take me excessive clicks to do things. In Windows I mean.
And thanks to modern technology, not quite everything is upgraded under Linux with APK anymore.
I've had very few problems under Windows. And I've had very few problems under Linux. As far as system stability.
Use what you like. Use what you enjoy. Use what works better for you. For me, that's both.
While I agree with your overall sentiment, I also think that calling the article "useless and stupid" kind of ignores that the author explicitly states in the very first sentence that they can only present the perpesective of a long-time exclusive Linux user. Undoubtedly, had the author been a longtime user of both Linux and Windows, as is your case, then surely they would have had a different experience and conslusions all together.
I'm not saying the author isn't biased in favour of Linux - all I am saying is that they seem to be pretty upfront about it from the very get go. Had they pretended to supposedly be writing an objective, scientifically valid comparison, then I would concede there is an element of stupidity. But that's not the case - they're pretty transparent as to who they are and what perspective they are describing their experience from.
Tldr: arguably its more like some sort of guilty-pleasure entertainment for Linux users rather than "stupid"
I've been forced to use windows for some propriety software during uni. I got a laptop from IT with higher specs than my old one and:
So yeah I'm not using Windows 11 ever again
I use windows 11 at work. I run solidworks, which is a 3D CAD/modeling program so my work computer is reasonably powerful with a decent chunk of RAM.
My laptop from 2020 uses mint. It's faster, although I havent tried to use solidworks on it because I'd have no idea where to start on getting that to run.
Only way I've found to get solidworks to run on Linux is to run a windows 11 VM using virtual machine manager (VMM). Ideally with GPU passthrough, among other optimizations. Kind of runs like shit on my Thinkpad T580 though, which is to be expected for an 8th gen quad core i5 laptop from 2018...
I've tried FreeCAD recently, and it isn't that bad. The latest updates (v1.0 and beyond) have made it much better than it used to be. It helps to watch video guides, as the workflows are a little different. I found this one to be helpful: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9cqs3oTzpac
I'm pretty sure nobody has enough money to pay me to give up my Linux...
I ask out of respect the the devs that make our wonderful distros we love so much:
Have you donated to them and their work?
If there's not enough money to make you give it up, how much are you willing to give to keep it alive?
I'm a patron for Nobara. GE has earned the cash.
I always donate. With every new release. My rule is to give an offering to the gods that make all this possible every time I do a git pull. ;-).
Especially things like mastodon and lemmy.
He’s completely overlooked the thing that annoys me the most: the unbelievable number of clicks you need to make in Windows/Microsoft to get anything done. – Saving a file to a folder of your choice:
Not ot mention my recent attempts to rename a Bluetooth device (two devices of the same type were displayed under the same name, making it impossible to tell them apart) 🤮
Microsoft screwed this up when they tried to make onedrive the default and therefore purposely made saving to disk harder.
Now you need to know the F12 shortcut to bring up the expected behaviour breaking decades of muscle memory.
Onedrive is a fuckin' pain in the ass! Sends your files to Microslop and the files on your pc become shortcuts.
I went back to Windows10. Much easier to create a local account upon install. With Win11 they make you jump through hoops.
Be fair though, "saving from a GUI app" is not exactly Linux's strong point either.
Click "save"; wonder which badly written save dialog this app is going to use; is it the one with the save button at the top? Or the bottom? Will it actually appear, or will it pop up below the window for Reasons, making you think the dammed thing has crashed? Maybe it's one with a list of favourite locations in the left maybe it's not... Maybe they're actually my favourite locations, or maybe it's an entirely different set of the developer's. If I'm lucky, there's a way to navigate to my home directory without going all the eay to the root and working up from there, more than likely not...
Best of all, it's one of those Save dialogues that thinks it's smart to enumerate the entire goddamned filesystem, network mounts and all, before it will respond to any input at all, leading to the window manager eventually fretting that maybe the application has crashed... Or perhaps it's one of those ones related to Dolphin that thinks it understands WebDAV mounts better than davfs, except that it actually doesn't and you end up saving to a temporary directory just so you can move the file where you actually wanted it from the commandline...
aaaaaargh
Don't get me wrong, I use Linux on all my machines and have been a Unix user since NetBSD 0.8 (33 years, fml...) But clicking "save" or "open" is one of those things that has me shaking my head thinking "how can it STILL be this bad" every time.
Oh, yes... to input specific characters or disable caps lock, one needs to hack the registry with hex codes...
Stunning Windows goes still as user-friendly.
Edit: If you were lacking a reason to try modern Linux user Interfaces, try GNOME desktop with PaperWM. It works great on my 40' display....
You can use PowerToys for Windows to (among other things) disable caps lock. I’m no fan of Microsoft, but they do provide PowerToys for free and there is a lot of useful stuff in it.
Stunning Windows goes still as user-friendly.
I mean I get we are supposed to hate Windows here but highlighting a specific thing that very few people would even want to try and use that as a reason to doubt it's user friendliness is just picking at straws. There's tons of reasons that Windows can be interpreted as not user friendly already.
Windows itself is quite good. The big problems come from who is managing it. If Microsoft wasn't invasive, I would gladly throw a couple hundred bucks at them and get on with my computing life.
I'm gonna ask a dumb question here and hope for a not dumb answer. When the author says "I know UI consistency has been a dirty word ever since the web and then iOS rose to prominence", what exactly are they referring to?
Best guess : Web interfaces are known for being inconsistent because they don't follow any particular OS-specific design language. And I've seen people complaining about MacOS being really inconsistent, especially in its use of menu icons (what an essay!), and I've seen some people complain the bad UI practices come from iOS.
Going further down the rabbit hole, most software now, if not bundled with the OS, is produced 3rd parties who often have their own established brand and design language.
It used to be if you were making an app for Windows, you somewhat tried to use the existing design language for your app. Nowadays if you're a big company you want your interface to be consistent no matter what is it's running on, so you set your own rules.
Linux still has this as well, but its less prominent because of the general ethos of trying to create an app to do one thing and do it well. Things are shifting as big companies jump on the Linux train though, who knows what it'll look like in 10 years.
Matches my experiences between using Linux at home for decades, and being forced to deal with Windows at work. Luckily, I can drop all the shitty problems on IT...
Thanks! Lol
Goes on to write an article with a bunch of issues that very few people will actually have. It's like he's deliberately gone out of his way to write a karma whoring post on Reddit.
Sleep/Wake issues
I’ve had plenty of sleep/wake issues on Linux, including on my current setup which is Bazzite (based on Fedora, which the author uses). Currently on Bazzite, some things don’t restart correctly after a reboot (specifically Gnome tweaks and OpenRGB). Not the worst issue but still annoying.
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This is the default behavior on macOS
A desktop operating system needs to come with a solid, serviceable email client. I consider this non-optional.
The only truly useful email client I’ve used is the default macOS one. I am actively taking suggestions for Linux. I tried one called Evolution I think? It was ok but didn’t support all my different email providers. I tried Thunderbird but it baffles me that I can’t view an email and have the list of emails open on the side.
I honestly think the author might have a better time with macOS. Not that they would prefer it over Linux, but a lot of what they complain about is better on Mac.
Whenever I experienced a short stretch of time where I felt “perhaps this isn’t so bad?”, one (or multiple) of the problems and issues described above would snap me out of it.
This was my experience trying to switch to Linux until very recently (until I started using Bazzite). Even now I still regularly have issues I need to debug, but it’s much, much more stable than previous distros I tried.
I tried Thunderbird but it baffles me that I can’t view an email and have the list of emails open on the side.
You can do that. That is how I use thunderbird.
I don't remember if I had to change the default config, but I think it comes like that, no? Anyways, if not, it's probably an easy setting somewhere to get it how you like.
This guy never even attempted to give windows a real shot. He complains about not being able to install windows on a drive that already has an OS on it, without getting rid of the other OS, for crying out loud
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