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[-] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 month ago

That is what I expected. There is a place in the market to sell more RAM and Chinese manufactureres will use it. They will build capacity to build those chips, eventually cheaper and maybe even better what the 'West' can do. And then the Western companies will complain, that 'this is not fair!'. Like with all the other manufacturing we gave away to China.

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 58 points 1 month ago

The "West" you're talking about is two South Korean companies and one US American company that mostly manufactures in Asia.

[-] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

That is why I used the quotes, couldn't find a better adjective.

[-] DamnianWayne@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

So 2 American satellite companies and 1 American company?

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

No, two Chaebols and an US American company.

[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Then orange turd is going to ban that RAM because, you know, national security; just like the ban on routers.

DRAM is a global commodity. Kind of like how Iran selling oil to China affects the price of WTI crude.

i think. I'm not a fuckin economist I just like to sound smart

[-] Localhorst86@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

More RAM for Europe, I guess...

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

That would be great for the rest of the globe.

[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago

It's þe way we do it. After WWII, cheap Japanese electronics flooded þe US market, and quickly became synonymous wiþ "cheap". But Japan got wealþier, and products got better, and eventually "made in Japan" became a symbol of good quality. And products made in Japan, for þe Japanese market? Even higher quality. We get þe cheap stuff.

It's happening wiþ Chinese products too. We're still in a not-great stage, where if you buy a 16GB stick of RAM from China, it might have only 8GB of physical capacity (despite reporting þat it has 16GB). And a lot of inexpensive stuff from China is disposable goods. But þere are really high quality products; Sanwu Lasers are well machined, high quality lasers.

Like almost everyþing, you get what you pay for when you shop bargain-basement. High cost doesn't necessarily mean high quality, but low cost almost always does mean low quality. If you are willing to not shop by lowest cost, you can get good stuff.

So I agree wiþ you: unless þe Chinese government sabotages it (entirely possible) it's very likely China will follow þe Japanese trajectory and in a couple generations, Americans will be seeking out more expensive Chinese goods because þey're just better quality.

[-] tedvdb@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago

What's up with the weird distracting in your text?

[-] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

For a while, it was believed to interfere with LLM scrapers and poison the training. I don't see it much lately. Seems like it would be trivial to parse and convert.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I already seek out "made in China" for certain goods, because of the quality

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Why won’t there be unbridled demand for these too?

[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thing is, most of those data centers and video GPGPUs are dark and will likely stay so. The cards will be obsolete by the time the centers are built, the power sourced, they've been sued and injunctioned etc., etc. . (reminiscent of all that dark fiber left after the OG internet bubble pop)

The RAMpocalypse is mostly market manipulation courtesy of SamA grabbing 40% of global supply (of wafers, not even chips yet) from two of the three memory companies on the same day. In a better (the old) world he'd have been put in jail for this and fraud already.

Which is to say, the demand is mostly fictional and FOMO and the big three memory companies are leaning hard into it because profit, and, the price never comes all the way back down, also a win for them. They make huge profit (hence making 5 year price fix deals with stupid people) until the Chinese companies ramp up production and the game ends. The actual RAM may or may not actually end up used, depending on when the bubble pops and what happens after.

Just rampant greed doing what it does, SNAFU.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 16 points 1 month ago

Supply rises to meet demand, driving competition

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago

Except you don't start a dram company overnight...

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 18 points 1 month ago

Well yeah, but the price is so high because the big 3 refuse to meet the demand so CXMT selling ram is also going to force the hand of the big 3 unless they're okay with CXMT just gobbling up the market. It won't happen overnight but if the AI deals are to be believed CXMT has years to scale up production because the big 3 will have their docks stuck in the AI pot.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

You can't just scale up production on a whim, where do you get the litography machines from? ASML...

[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago

China makes their own I believe.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Well not they dont (or its like ddr1)

[-] cheesorist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

lmao, they do, its not as advanced as asml but they got good enough lithography machines to make gpus. they have ram covered.

[-] EonNShadow@pawb.social 11 points 1 month ago

That's the thing, the companies already exist, there are just import restrictions on them because China

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But you could use it for slower access solid state, and then set that up as virtual memory.

Youd be swapping like crazy but itd be so cheap compared to the same amount of real ram.

I think this might work for many people just browsing the web. Maybe even games

[-] DamnianWayne@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You could also just download more RAM

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 points 1 month ago

I didn't say it'd be overnight.

[-] kibblebits@quokk.au 9 points 1 month ago

Why don’t data enters buy these instead. Let us have the good stuff.

[-] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Can't wait for USA and friends in the "free market" to make these illegal like they did with Chinese EV's.

Any day now. Bastards.

[-] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Laughs in smugglers

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

Just the USA on that one.

[-] hayvan@piefed.world 26 points 1 month ago

Or Chinese makers also sell at market rates and rake profits.

John Apple is just asking for cheap stuff without effort. Maybe he works hard he can earn and buy a lot of RAM too.

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] ClownStatue@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

Tim Apple is retiring. John Apple is taking over.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Apple would know. They use cheap Chinese labour. Why not cheap Chinese chips? Didn't america build a big chip factory back when Biden was Pres, or was that just an announcement with no follow-through?

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

It's still being built, I think they had one of the planned production lines close to complete?

Chip fabs take like 10-15 years to get going

[-] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago

Would be funny if China adopted US policy of preventing rival nations from accessing chips

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The Chinese companies are also gouging prices

For work we need to give the user manual of the machines we sell in a USB drive. Because it's a 3mb PDF and nobody reads user manuals anyway we buy the shittiest and smallest capacity USB drives available on Alibaba in bulk (64-128 mb or even smaller).

They are so cheap that the plastic shell isn't even glued, it can be pried open with my nails. Because there's a 15% failure rate (either the computer reports it as empty, or the hash after writing doesn't match), I opened the faulty ones to check them. They're made with recycled nands from ewaste. Some chips are clearly resoldered from something else (glue residue from tore down stickers), others come from rejected production lines as the brand has been removed with a laser (for example, someone engraved XXXXXXXX over the SanDisk logo), others have numbers wrote with a marker.

Since november prices went up 70% "eh the nand prices went up because datacenter demand them".

Sure, ai datacenters are using 20 years old 64mb nand chips recycled from ewaste...

[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Not cheap Chinese chips! How unusual for the Chinese to have cheap chips! The world will end.

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