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Here's a historical reference for any history buffs out there. (lemmy.world)

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[-] simulacra_simulacrum@lemmy.world 183 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Persian Empire arguably trumped them all, however, when it created scaphism around 500 B.C.E.

This ancient execution method was also known as “the boats,” as victims were placed in two hollowed-out logs or boats before their suffering even began.

With their heads and limbs sticking out and their bodies trapped inside, the victim was force-fed milk and honey.

Their uncontrollable diarrhea filled the boats as executioners poured honey over the victim’s face — and vermin arrived to not only feast upon the prisoners, but enter their bodies to fatally eat them from the inside out.

[-] hungryphrog 59 points 1 year ago

I was supposed to eat, now that I remembered the existence of this practice, I'm not that hungry anymore.

[-] simulacra_simulacrum@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Can I have your honeyed toast?

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Accompanied by heavy whipping cream

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

yo what the fuck

[-] neptune@dmv.social 23 points 1 year ago

Hello

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Oh, Neptune

[-] Beardsley@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's an episode of "Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell" that covers this thing, and i gotta say fellas, that is some of the most fucked up shit.

[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

So many bugs, SO MANY BUGS

[-] BlasserJunge@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Not the Bees! AaAaAAAAaaAA

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Explain

[-] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Ancient torture/execution method. Tie you to a boat (or trap you between two boats) and stuff you full of milk and honey, then pour some on you for good measure. The idea is that there are many biting insects and unpleasant things that will be attracted to the milk and honey. Being tied/trapped means your hands aren't free to deal with them. Secondly, a large amount of milk and honey is a really good way to get diarrhea. So eventually, you'll have to deal with that, and biting insects are more likely to swarm around you if you're covered in literal shit. The victims usually die from exposure, but they will have an exceedingly unpleasant time before they expire. Very common to have... Soft tissue areas... Completely consumed before death.

[-] Damdy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

What did they give to vegan torturees?

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Milk and honey would be my guess.

[-] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

laxatives and sirup?

[-] viperex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Dr. Mrs. The Monarch describes this in an interrogation

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Haha Ctesias that jokester. Always exaggerating stories. Haha, wait he's joking right?

[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Looks like you got suggested the same video as I did last night.

https://piped.video/watch?v=ZSXypSLfVN8&t=804

[-] incendiaryperihelion@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

YIKES

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Funny story, I got banned from refdit for saying we should do this to child molesters.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago

As with any legal punishment, it's always necessary to acknowledge that no matter how heinous the crime, some portion of people who are sentenced for that crime, will in fact be innocent.

I'd much much much rather not have a single innocent person be subjected to this, just so I can feel smug that some sick fuck "got what they deserved". Lock em up where they can't hurt anyone and call it a day. Cruel and usual punishments help absolutely no one in the end

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Idk what it is that any mention of violence towards kids makes some people deranged and still think of themselves morally superior.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It gives their sadistic minds a guilt free socially approved justification to be cruel and inhuman to another person.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Amen; This is why "Innocent Until Proven Guilty Beyond A Shadow of a Doubt!" needs to be a staple of any fair justice system

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Realistically, ever justice system is going to have to compromise between between the ease of incarcerating actual criminals and the likelihood of a false conviction, I don't think it'd be possible to build a system where absolutely 0 innocent people get convicted of crimes they didn't commit - unless it also was unwilling to convict actual offenders

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

We've had cases of Prosecutors refusing to convict people of sex crimes if there was evidence it was actually done, due to their own... actions.... and we've had cases of corrupt judges knowingly giving bullshit guilty verdicts because they were being paid off by private prisons

[-] BluesF@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

In general making classification more sensitive will increase your false positive rate, and making it less sensitive will increase your false negative rate. Neither is preferable! The question is whether you consider the cost of a false positive or negative to be higher... I think most would argue that a false negative is far worse if that allows a child/children to be harmed. Consequently, if you are erring on the side of convicting more people, you should also err on the side of "not maiming those people" because the chances are some of them are innocent.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

you should also err on the side of “not maiming those people” because the chances are some of them are innocent.

This was more or less my point, though frankly I don't know that I totally agree that a false negative is "far worse". Getting a false conviction as a child sexual offender is practically a death sentence in prison, and even if it's not, it's certainly enough to ruin that persons life forever. We're talking about an actual human here. I'm really not sure what it is about children that make people so perfectly OK with throwing away the lives of scores of adults just to keep one child from harm.

Mind you, I'm not advocating that we should let all offenders go free for the sake of keeping any innocents out of prison, but personally I'd rather let several guilty men go free for a crime than see one innocent person have their lives ruined purely due to the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the incompetence of our justice system. Though I recognize that that's no doubt a controversial opinion. Especially as no one ever believes that they themselves will be falsely convicted of something.

[-] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

The idea is that one guilty man is capable of harming far more innocent people. You don't want innocent people harmed because of false accusations, but you're okay with 'several guilty mentioning free to avoid that, even though those several men will likely end up reoffending and harming more innocent people/children? Obviously there has to be a balance..

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Obviously there are problems with our justice system so this isn't realistic. That's why I said "child molesters" and not "people convicted of child molestation". By definition child molester means "person who has molested a child"

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Do you have a way of determining with 100% accuracy which is which? Because if so, holy shit dude, you need to share that shit with the world - you could single handedly revolutionize global justic, what the fuck are you doing just posting about it on Lemmy???

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Depending on what physical evidence is present you can be pretty damn sure in some cases. Adult DNA doesn't just get into little kid orifices by accident.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Framing by the justice system happens all the time. Adult DNA doesn't get there by accident, but DNA results can get falsified on purpose.

I get that you really want to torture people while feeling morally justified, but consider the fact that torturing convicted criminals doesn't actually help anyone, including the victim, and that you will inevitably wind up torturing an innocent person. Period.

Like I said, lock 'em up where they can't hurt anyone - but torturing them doesn't do anything except make sadists happy, and I don't think that's what we should be optimizing for in a first world justice system.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Child molesters are evil but doing this to them is too far.

[-] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah no. Fuck that. Fuck you.

[-] TheCheddarCheese@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

NO-

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