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So, my last post was a complete shit show. I had no idea it would get this much attention. Not necessarily happy that it did.

First off, to the moderation team, please accept this hug from this trans bunny girl right here. Because damn it, do you deserve it. I'm so sorry for what happened, I do kind of feel responsible and I'm worried that by posting this, I'm going to make things worse.

Second, it is astounding the amount of entitlement that so many men feel. In this thread, I've seen lots of dudes being offended but what was more striking was: A bunch of guys being told about the rule, AND DOUBLING AND SOMETIMES TRIPLING DOWN!

When I wrote this post, I was thinking of adding a huge: "Please read the rules before commenting, this is a women only space" and I didn't do it, I didn't want to overstep the boundaries of the moderation. I would change that, looking back.

You know what kills me about all of this? It's that, as a transfeminine bun, the typical trans-misogynistic shit being thrown my way is that I'm just a guy disguising myself as a woman to invade "real women" spaces, to which of course, the answer always is: Guys don't need to put in this much effort to invade women spaces, they just walk in like they own the place and it's enough.

This post was yet another perfect demonstration of that. And men can't understand, they just can't, because they don't go through it, they don't know what it's like, they never even have to think about it. Women are being excluded passively all over the internet, but the second there is a women only thing, we have guys constantly trying to brigade it and to destroy it because taking all the space already isn't enough.

A woman can't express herself online without being bombarded with reply guys telling her that she's wrong, that she's exaggerating, and don't forget the usual dudes insisting that they're part of the good ones. And god forbid if you're expressing your frustration in a way that might be a bit too generalizing or angry, because of course "#NotAllMen", a guy will say proving exactly that yes, it is all men. It's not hating an entire group, it's not being misandrist, it's just drowning in misogyny and being rightfully pissed off about it, but we can't even have that.

We're never allowed to be ourselves, we're never allowed to be vulnerable as women, we're never allowed to vent or be upset at the shit that we have to endure from men all the time, we just have to take it. All because the average dude's ego is both so enormous and so fragile that he can't accept that it's not about him, or even begin to understand that he might be the problem here when he's been repeatedly told that this is not a space for him.

It's incredibly disheartening. Because when it works, I love this community, it's a safe haven on the internet. But the second we dare to talk about more than: "I love being a girl!" and go into something along the lines of: "Misogyny is crushing to deal with", things spiral out of control and we have to deal with yet another stunning example of men barging in, seemingly desperate to prove the point.

In the beginning I said this:

I'm worried that by posting this, I'm going to make things worse.

You see this? This is exactly what I'm talking about.

I didn't write it to prove a point, I wrote it because I'm genuinely worried about this. Because I have to actively be careful about what I do, what I say, what I wear, what I show, as to not attract the ire of misogyny. All the time. It's always in the back of my mind, it's a never ending anxiety. It's something that men, even the most well meaning ones, can't and will never be able to understand. I just wish they'd be able to accept it and to believe us.

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IT HAPPENED HERE AS WELL! We had a guy come in, knowing full well he was breaking the rule, but he wanted to share his "personal experience", his opinion. In other words, fucking mansplain to us why this keeps happening. He couldn't help himself, he just had to share his unsolicited opinion because he is just that important as a man. I have people asking me all the time why I only hang out with trans people and women, and it's simple: They respect my fucking boundaries!

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[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 78 points 1 month ago

I’m so sorry for what happened ...

Honey, please never take the blame for the actions of others. The others either knew the rules or were quickly apprised of them. It was their choice, not yours, to comment where they knew they were not welcome. The blame falls on them, not on you.

This acidic sexagenarian appreciates your posts and your insights. Please don't be chased off by the assholes.

as a transfeminine bun, the typical trans-misogynistic shit being thrown my way is that I’m just a guy disguising myself as a woman to invade “real women” spaces

FWIW this acidic sexagenarian appreciates your participation here and welcomes you with open arms; you've got it worse than cis women do and deserve a safe, welcoming space, which I hope this group is for you.

We’re never allowed to be ourselves, we’re never allowed to be vulnerable as women ...

I'm done being vulnerable (there's not enough time left for me to be so), so this acidic sexagenarian will go full berserk bulldog on your behalf so you can be as vulnerable as you like. My knives (both metaphorical and literal) are for you.

It’s something that men, even the most well meaning ones, can’t and will never be able to understand.

Some genuinely do. And the reason you never hear from them is because they, you know stay out of a women-only space. So the tragedy is you only get the open misogynists, the closet misogynists, and the utterly fucking clueless in our group. (But that post you linked to? Not a single one there fell into the last group.)

My SO gets it. He's on Lemmy too. Quite an active participant. And you will never see him in this space because he understands what "women only" means. And after I go off on a rampage in a post like the one you linked to, he's there to listen patiently as I gesticulate wildly and rant angrily about fucking idiot men. Without commenting.

Unfortunately, as I said, this means we only ever see the whiny pricks and sociopathic assholes.

[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 66 points 1 month ago

I just want to add that there is currently a problem with our mod tools since we moved everything over after the hack. As a result, the mods are unable to moderate as efficiently as they could before.

Because they're normally so on top of things, that thread was a good example of what things look like when they can't moderate properly.

We're hoping to get it fixed soon!

[-] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 56 points 1 month ago
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[-] strawberry_enjoyer42 50 points 1 month ago

It bothers me so much that they just can't keep themselves out of women-only spaces. I get major imposter syndrome (despite being on HRT, and being 99% out), and then actual men break the rule. It makes me feel... I'm not sure. It's upsetting, that's for sure.

I'd once again like to acknowledge, and appologise for the fact, that I made a... not-so-great comment, which caused a fair amount of trouble.

[-] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

There is nothing to apologise for they shouldn't have been in the thread to read the comment in the first place. They come here and attack us just for existing it's utterly wrong

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[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 12 points 1 month ago

Meh. I've said similar things (even here) when angry. A little talking to by @LadyButterfly@LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone and I sheepishly delete it and it's all good.

Can't be mad at you for doing the same.

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[-] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 month ago

This is absolutely positively NOT your fault and you have absolutely nothing to apologise for. Those types attack us whenever they feel like it...we're women and have lots of trans members, plus we have some LGB AND non white people (oh the horrors!!) So they hate us.

We had a glitch on piefed so couldn't ban people otherwise it would have been sorted sooner. I'm just sorry you had to deal with all that shit

[-] RabbitMix 39 points 1 month ago

I agree totally, it's so exhausting to constantly deal with

[-] zeezee@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 month ago

You know what kills me about all of this? It's that, as a transfeminine bun, the typical trans-misogynistic shit being thrown my way is that I'm just a guy disguising myself as a woman to invade "real women" spaces, to which of course, the answer always is: Guys don't need to put in this much effort to invade women spaces, they just walk in like they own the place and it's enough.

preach girl preach 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

And god forbid if you're expressing your frustration in a way that might be a bit too generalizing or angry, because of course "#NotAllMen", a guy will say proving exactly that yes, it is all men. It's not hating an entire group, it's not being misandrist, it's just drowning in misogyny and being rightfully pissed off about it, but we can't even have that.

it's so frustrating - someone will post some obviously misogynistic shit and you'll take the time to explain why it's misogynistic and then a bunch of fragile guys will instantly start downvoting (not @rimu@piefed.social tho, he's single handedly the one #NotAllMen <3) and explaining how they're just misunderstood and are actually one of the good ones - my guys just take the L

how come most can understand when we say ACAB replying with #NotAllCops isn't defensible - yet those same people will unironically defend #NotAllMen as if systemic critique is specifically about them - to quote another ally: "either get with it, or get out of the fucking way"

on the broader point of the "angry woman" trope - the world we live in makes it impossible to escape this - so as The Feminist Killjoy Handbook by Sara Ahmed teaches us (a highly recommended read btw - again brought up to me by another ally (and to the men lurkers in here - this is how you help women not by defending yourself as "one of the good ones") - actions speak much louder than words)

anyways as I was saying: Sara teaches us that instead of running away from the trope of the angry "killjoy" we should embrace her - as she comes from a long line of feminists that have fought so hard to get us to where we are today and men have attemped to dismiss all of them by using that same trope - so use that righteous anger to keep up the fight and to always remember that you're not alone, never have and never will be 🫶🏼

[-] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

how come most can understand when we say ACAB replying with #NotAllCops isn't defensible - yet those same people will unironically defend #NotAllMen as if systemic critique is specifically about them

I feel like part of the issue is that saying "kill all men" doesn't sound like a critique of the system.

Here's an example:

He didn't think that it was about the system that normalizes misogyny and instead took it as an insult directly. He is totally in the wrong here, but it's not hard to see why he took that view.

I personally really dislike "ACAB" and because it is often used to just turn a complicated topic into a bunch of infighting instead of actual conversation where things can be learned.

This comic perfectly explains both how something controversial like "defund the police" can just cause confusion and discord to someone unfamiliar when the second panel shows the often undiscussed meaning behind it which most will agree with

[-] Domi 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Acab is literally true. There are no good cops.

There are good men, and exactly none of them are getting mad at righteous expressions of anti-patriarchal rage in a women's only space.

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[-] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the constant amount of guys who flounce in makes me not want to comment or post much. I get it a bit, if you didn't read the community. But to double down instead of just a oops sorry and then muting or blocking the community if you don't want to do it again accidentally?

[-] Sirence@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago

But they don't have to read the rules because they saw it on the all feed you know? And they don't have to listen when they are explicitly being told about rules because they are very special and if people don't see their idiotic takes society will collapse.

You know what kills me about all of this? It's that, as a transfeminine bun, the typical trans-misogynistic shit being thrown my way is that I'm just a guy disguising myself as a woman to invade "real women" spaces, to which of course, the answer always is: Guys don't need to put in this much effort to invade women spaces, they just walk in like they own the place and it's enough.

This is one of the things I hate from most of men (with the usual exceptions). They can't understand the concept of someone feeling different from what they're supposed to according to the genitalia they got at birth. And even worse, as you say, is that they will feel entitled to every space but will have a problem if you try to enter (with a just reason) the same space they are invading.

The reason for this is the entitlement. They own the place (or so they think), so why can't they enter? And most importantly, why can YOU enter while they can't? I think the transphobia you suffer is motivated by this. They are pissed because they are excluded from a place where you can enter and they don't like it because this society never trained them to get a no for an answer.

[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your post is most welcome here and I hope you continue posting. I want to hear your voice and every single person who wants to be here. I want to hear you, celebrate you, maybe debate you in a friendly way, and support you here.

I’ve been on the broader internet for a long time. I’ve seen a lot of this kind of behavior. It’s a real problem on Lemmy, more than some other online spaces. More than most of the men who participate here want to admit.

They’ll celebrate how Lemmy is so much more progressive than Reddit, then the mods turn around and allow men to muse about 14 year olds and their “consenting nature”. They’ll yell at you to be more leftist, then claim there’s no gender war, only class war. They get very, very offended to hear any voice that doesn’t sound like theirs. It’s almost a relief to run into a conservative because at least they’re upfront about their desire to subjugate me.

I hope none of us stop posting and not just in womensstuff either. We can shape these spaces to include us. We can be stubborn and take our space, assholes be damned. We deserve this place. You deserve a voice here 💕

[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's because Lemmy / Piefed into the Free and Open Source Software world. The FOSS world has a massive culture problem that it just refuses to see.

[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 15 points 1 month ago

There's actually a really easy fix to this brigading problem, but the jackasses who make Lemmy won't implement it.

Member-only postings. Just a little drop-down that reads:

  • only members may read
  • only members may reply
  • public post

With a default set by the group owner and perhaps the ability to turn off public posts entirely for a group. But they don't implement this. They instead make sure that every emoji known to humanity can be accessed with colon-codes.

Because that has priority over community health.

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[-] cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 month ago

as a nonbinary person afab, i wrote one comment here and then felt guilty. thanks for the clarity, i cant believe some peoples entitlement!

[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

You are more then welcome here! 🫶

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[-] Hexarei@beehaw.org 25 points 1 month ago

Ugh, the #NotAllMen bothers me so much in a women's space too.

Like. Dude. We know! We all know that it's not all men. Nobody's trying to say that it is all men.

But it's some of them. So we hold our purses a little tighter and walk faster towards the car in the parking lot at night. So we avoid being out alone when it's dark. So we carry our self defense methods, and we stay wary.

Not because it's all men, but because it's always men.

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[-] Wren@lemmy.today 23 points 1 month ago

All that is true. However, I like that this is the one place where I'll be backed up if I tell a dude to get the hell out.

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[-] kerrigan778 20 points 1 month ago

Well one good thing (debateably I suppose lol) happened because of it, I found out about this community. Hi ladies <3

[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're not the first one to reply to this thread saying this. It was so worth it, then. <3

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[-] valtia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Yes, this is a pretty universal problem with predominantly women-only spaces that are also advertised as such. This is a recurring issue on twoxchromosomes back on reddit, and why so many of those communities end up creating splintered invite-only spaces instead. Same thing with the Tea app from a while ago.

As you said, men can't help themselves and insert themselves into these communities. In the case of invite-only spaces, unfortunately they do also try to sneak in which causes so many problems of enforcement and "proof". Public spaces are of course the most inclusive, but also attract the worst kind of men like a lighthouse

[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's hard to ask for proof of womanhood without instantly becoming a highly transmisogynistic space and thus, a haven for terfs, sadly. And the fact that we even have to consider that we may need proof because men can't fucking themselves is... I mean, you read the post, I'm not going to repeat myself. :(

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[-] KyuubiNoKitsune 17 points 1 month ago

It's pretty simple. My mom always told me that men don't understand the word No.

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[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Because of the "I stumbled in from 'all' not knowing what the community was" problem, I wish there were a way to make it more clear to potential commenters what the rules for participation are. As others have mentioned, the admin team should be implementing more controls for mods (based on what exists on other platforms, we're not asking you to reinvent the wheel here!), but what else can be done in the meanwhile?

While I hate to put the onus on users, one thing that could help is including "This is a women-only community; read the rules before you comment!" statement in the text box of posts. (I'm not very familiar with what mod tools do exist... Is there a way to make an automated comment pinned to the top of every thread that says this so that users don't have to remember themselves?) This would at least help prevent "accidental" intrusions, and permit more aggressive responses to anyone who goes and posts against rules anyway.

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[-] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago

Hey all, I'm locking the thread because it's bringing the incel transphobe types out. Thanks for reporting comments and protecting your fellow members ❤️ 💙 💜

[-] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago

on youtube, you can create rules that are shown when someone tries to comment on one of your videos for the first time

i feel like this feature would help with this problem if it was implemented on most clients

[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 20 points 1 month ago

Given how 90% of the men who comment react when you point to the rules? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't help very much at all, sadly. We're talking children who were never told "no" in their entire lives reacting like the inner toddlers they are.

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