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Gomennasai, baka (lemmy.zip)
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[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You learn the basics and then you watch entertainment in the language you're trying to learn. Don't gatekeep.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

You can learn by watching anime, but you'll sound like a 14-year-old. Japanese has various levels of politeness that need to be mastered if you don't want people to think you're an idiot.

*source: speak Japanese, lived in Tokyo since late 00s. I often sound like an idiot in Japanese, so don't get your pants in a bunch.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago

late 00s

I was really confused at first because I thought of 1900s.

I'm an old, but not quite that old

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

You absolutely can learn usable Japanese from anime, just as you can learn English from videogames.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago

100%ing Shadow the Hedgehog might help you learn a language considering how many times you would have to complete the first mission (326 for every possible path). Plus you'd know the word "damn" VERY WELL.

[-] Smoregoose 36 points 2 years ago

I mean, you probably could eventually to some extent... definitely not enough to have a conversation, but you might be able to vaguely understand someone saying something to you.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's a method of language learning - comprehensible input - that is basically this.

Though you need to start by watching/listening things you can actually understand. So start with Peppa Pig level, where they use basic vocabulary, repeat often, and use many visual aids, then work up to content for adults.

Trouble is finding enough learner level content to watch (without going insane). You need many hundreds of hours of content that you understand 90-95% of.

But even if you start with content way too advanced you'd be surprised what many hundreds of hours of listening to a language can do. Not efficient or recommended, but if they're ACTIVELY listening to the sounds of the language they could pick up a lot of meaning over such large amounts of time.

[-] A_Toasty_Strudel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This is accurate as it describes my current situation.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 20 points 2 years ago

My high school Spanish teacher said she learned English after immigrating to the US by watching English soap operas like Days of Our Lives and things like that. I'm sure the same could be done but not sure how exactly. It would probably take a lot of active listening.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

My MiL moved here from India and watched soap operas not just to learn idiomatic English but to learn how to dress for cold weather.

Growing up in Colombo and Chennai, it never got cold enough to need socks; she was in Midland Ontario and the soaps taught her how to wear snow boots, winter jackets, scarves, wool hats.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 2 years ago

I studied some English in school but I really learned it watching series with English subtitles

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

I learned a ton of Japanese from anime. I also took two semesters in college, but anime was a huge portion. I signed on as a translation cleanup guy for a fansub group back in the day. We had a guy in Japan who could write broken English for the dialogue in anime episodes, and then I was the guy who was excellent with English but only had a basic grasp of Japanese (grade school level). Between us, we could get a script.

I learned more from cleaning up his scripts than I EVER did in two semesters of college.

Nowadays, I am not sure what the word for it is, but I can understand spoken Japanese at a high level but I cannot speak back very fluently. My spoken word is full of pauses as I try to think of the right word. But if you speak to me in Japanese, I understand very well.

So... is the meme accurate? I guess partially. It's not like I would ever call myself fluent. I can just watch anime without subtitles now.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

if you pick up japanese from watching shounen, you'll sound like a punk.

if you pick up japanese from watching shojou, you'll sound like a little girl

if you pick up japanese from watching seinen, you'll sound violent.

if you pick up japanese from watching all three, you'll sound like a violent little girl punk.

...

if you pick up japanese from watching josei HOLY SHIT WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU FIND IT WHO THE HELL IS EVEN MAKING IT ANYMORE AND HOW DO I GET IT TOO

[-] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

I feel like putting in some effort to learn greetings and how to address people would help significantly when visiting Japan.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Just act like an ass and tell people you're American. Works best if you're not American.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

-in Tokyo

“Speak English! We kicked your asses for a reason!”

Works best if you’re obviously not American

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe be Japanese before trying it.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You could also be German or Italian

[-] yoo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

If you watched every episode with simultaneous Japanese and English captions, you technically could. Just need to focus on memorizing things and writing things down, as well as deciphering grammar.

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, you would learn some things, but you'd end up speaking like cringy middle schooler. Business and daily life conversations are significantly different from anime and manga ones.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah imagine if someone learned all their English from American cartoons. Not American media, just cartoons. They’d speak weird

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Most american cartoons are made for children and young adults at most. Anime doesn't really have this limitation (more akin to e.g. Bojack Horseman/ Rick and Morty, but could also be a serious drama)

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah but also if someone learned English from stuff like the Simpsons, futurama, family guy, etc they’d absolutely still sound weird in their word choices, but also in their understanding of our culture. And yeah bojack and Rick and Morty would do it too. Hell you could even throw some stuff like breaking bad in there and they’d still struggle.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You'd be surprised to know, then, that's exactly how a large number of ESL speakers learn your language.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Where’s the shitty pube neck beard?

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

On my neck, ffs. It's even in the name.

[-] prim3r@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

I had a roommate who could decently understand japanese this way. We had him look away and translate for us a few times and he was spot on. I'm sure if he put effort into speaking it he could have learned to do that as well.

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