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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by someguy3@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I'm talking about a massive park in the absolute heart of the city. Located such that is naturally surrounded by city high rises. *People are giving examples of parks that are way off in the boonies. I'm trying to say located centrally, heart of the city, you know where the high rises are. Yes I understand nyc has more, the point is centrally located.

Copied by younger cities in North Americ. You know, the cities younger than NYC that could have seen the value of setting aside a large area for parkland before it was developed.

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[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 258 points 11 months ago

Because other cities didn’t have a large black neighborhood to knock down.

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 76 points 11 months ago

They used all those up for the Interstate system.

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Yup, About 100 years later. What’s old is new again.

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[-] tdot@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago

This is yet another absolutely shameful example of government led evil, but Seneca Village was also a small portion of what makes up Central Park. We need not imply that demolishing a thriving black community was the sole goal of Central Park to acknowledge how fundamentally fucked up this place is.

[-] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

I wouldn’t be so sure. Wouldn’t surprise me if they saw the black neighborhood and came up with reasons to justify getting rid of it, and the park that was created somehow justified the original intentions.

[-] tdot@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I’m certainly not sure. There’s no bounds to the depth of government endorsed racism in this country.

I only know that Seneca Village, in particular, was geographically a small portion of what makes up Central Park. A quick perusal of Wikipedia isn’t an all encompassing or definitive history but it appears that approximately 1600 residents in a number of different villages were evicted through eminent domain, while Seneca Village seems to have had ~250 residents at its peak.

As is often the case it seems like residents with the least power and wealth were steamrolled by government agencies for a “civic good,” but many sites were considered before this shameful act, so it hardly seems that the park was an invented purpose after the fact. Rather, these government agencies should be shamed for continuing to force the least powerful and wealthy of its citizens to pay for shared public goods.

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[-] malloc@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

The large black neighborhoods were replaced by highways before cities could replace them with Central Park-esque projects

[-] Travalanche@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Well, that's simply not true. While that may be how they found the land for Central Park, that's not the reason why other cities haven't made large parks like in NYC.
Portland, OR has (I think) the second biggest inner-city park in the country, and I'm fairly sure no minority neighborhoods were destroyed to create it. Way to be edgy though.
As for answering OP's question... I'm guessing the property is just too valuable as commercial and residential land for the city governments to want to redesignate as parks. Especially now with the housing crisis and all.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In fairness, they did try to obtain property that also had two wealthy families on twice (with injunctions that failed) before looking at the Central Park area that Seneca Village was also in.

Of course that doesn’t sound as much as a hot take that you gave.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

It was! San Francisco's Golden Gate Park (4.1 km²) is in fact larger than NYC's Central Park (3.4km²).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Park

[-] Cubes@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

St. Louis's Forest Park is bigger still at 5.3 km^2

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

So is Prospect Park in Brooklyn

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[-] halferect@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

They didn't set it aside, they displaced people to make a park.

[-] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

I'm honestly surprised that they haven't followed up by just allowing the city to gradually eat the park.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

Central Park is cool and all, but most cities could do with a large quantity of much smaller parks that people can walk to instead of one really big park in the middle of downtown.

We are here for decentralization after all.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

I want both.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

Well, most of them had no thriving black community in the middle of the town that they could raze to create a park.

[-] BnjmnBanks@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

Central Park was once a whole community thriving community. They forced them out (eminent domain) and turned it into the Central Park we know now. Other cities have huge parks and areas, but New York markets their state like no other (maybe California).

[-] nucawysi@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

"naturally surounded by high rises" nothing natural about that. Its callled urban planning and in this case complete control was given to one guy, the one that made prospect park too, i saw a docu on it. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but the bearucracy and corruption with funding usually takes its place. A lot of cities simply weren't planned for that, central park is designed pre-automobile. Many new cities are post-auto, so they dont care about walking spaces like they used to, a lot of cities have decided that the public is dangerous and hard to control, they dont want them to gather or loiter in any space and why should they give something for free when a business can profit from their need? NYC came from a place where they the populace was accustomed to dealing with the public in person on a daily basis.

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[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Most cities in Germany have parks in or near the city centre. In fact it's considered unusual if there's isn't any.

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[-] hanekam@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

London has Hyde and Regent's Parks. Paris has the Bois de Boulogne, Berlni has the great Tiergarten. Big parks are a common feature of cities.

[-] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

London has far far far more parks than those two! They’re not even the biggest in London, Richmond park is at 2500 acres (that’s more than 3x the size of Central Park) It’s where that viral video of the dog chasing deer was taken - JESUS CHRIST, FENTON!! Personally I’ve always preferred St James Park over Hyde or regents if you’re in central London, but it’s a small 50ish acres. Hampstead Heath (800 acres) and bushy park (1099 acres) are similar in size to Central Park too if you’d prefer not to be in central London.

To answer OPs question, I’d much rather live in a city with more parks than I can count than just one massive one somewhere. There’s 5 parks within a 15 minute walk of my house and I live in a city!

EDIT: from Wikipedia: London is made of 40% public green space, including 3,000 parks and totaling 35,000 acres.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Yeah, how come no other cities have parks?

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

because no one values green spaces.

Which is why government typically rubberstamps every developer request to clearcut new forests and turn under new grassland, to build a new poorly built development of McMansions that will probably have to be extensively rebuilt within 5-10 years due to the apalling build quality.

Same reason no one builds affordable homes. Why develop homes for the poors, for 100k, when they can make McMansions on the same land, and sell them for 1mil+ a pop.

If Central Park was proposed today, it would be decried as a waste of valuable property (and probably liberal wokeism)

[-] nucawysi@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

a lot of central park was for rich people actually or designed with rich citizens to use it in mind

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

NYC’s Central Park has 843 acres

Cleveland’s Emerald Necklace has 7 parks with over 1,500 acres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Metroparks

And that doesn’t even count a 32,000 acre national park just south of greater Cleveland.

New York is just a more famous large city. Plenty of other cities have vast parks.

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[-] HerrLewakaas@feddit.de 18 points 11 months ago

Happy Munich noises. Bigger than central park too 😉

[-] techognito@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

TIL I have more reasons to visit Munich than to visit NYC

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[-] derf82@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

People are giving examples of parks that are way off in the boonies.

First, things are not so binary that it’s either high rises and boonies.

Second, NYC has a huge central business district. My own city does not have enough high rises to surround a large park. Such a park would destroy most midsize cities, not enhance them.

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[-] DancingIsForbidden@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As a New Yorker, let me just assure you that it wasn’t really designed with crosstown traffic in mind. If you’re going from West 69th and say, 10th Ave, to East 69th and 2nd, you’re in for a shitshow no matter what you do. This includes walking (try not to be ran over by an Uber walking through Central Park late at night). Taking the subway(what subway line goes from upper east to upper west?? Hahahah you’re fucked!) Or taking a crosstown bus (Takes almost an hour to go from 10th avenue to 2nd avenue cause you’re gonna have to go all the way up/down to the cross park street).

Multiple smaller parks would probably be much better, or just, y’know, having space for trees outside of the designated tree infrastructure.

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[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Vancouver has Stanley park which is bigger than Central Park, right next to downtown and on the water. (So we have a nice seawall around it you can run/bike along.)

The answer to the question though is these giant parks are incredibly expensive. Think how many billions of dollars in apartmentsyou could replace that park with. I don't think it'd be a good trade but for cities which are chronically strapped for cash, that's a hard bargain.

[-] KinNectar@kbin.run 12 points 11 months ago

@someguy3 Portland, Oregon has the largest urban park in the country, Forest Park, but it is forested an not a garden park. Also it is on the edge of the city instead of Central.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I think most U.S. cities that were established before cars have large, centrally located urban parks. New Orleans, Boston, San Francisco, Detroit, etc. The cities that don’t are probably ones that grew only after cars were ubiquitous so the park could be wherever.

Like a western city in a mountain valley that had a population boom after cars would probably prefer their main urban park to be on the periphery for hiking trails and access to the mountain. The green-space didn’t have to be on a trolley line near downtown to be accessible.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

Jacksonville Florida doesn't have a large central park, but with 86 acres of park per 1000 residents and one of the largest geographical areas of any single city in the US, that's a lot of parks. I suppose I'm trying to say there are other ways a city can embrace park culture without a central park style hub park.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I live in Chicago and we do have a big centrally located park, along with other smaller parks scattered around. It's down by the lake, and they keep that big stupid bean there.

Pro tip for tourists, if you absolutely have to go see the bean don't touch it; everybody touches the damn thing and you will get sick. Go look at the Picasso instead. It's on all of the tourist attraction maps and way more interesting than a big shiny bean.

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[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

City Park here in NOLA is 1300 acres (50% larger than Central Park) and was established in 1854, making it three years older as well. Stay losing NYC! 😜

[-] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Baltimore, Maryland has a gigantic green space (second biggest woodland park in the United States according to Wikipedia) right in the center of the city called Leakin Park. It's gorgeous during the day time, but unfortunately during the evening most people avoid it because it's become a dumping ground for bodies.

It's become known in the region as one of the most dangerous parks in the United States, which super sucks.

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[-] junker101@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 11 months ago

San Diego has a bigger one. Go check it out.

[-] bangupjobasusual@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

There are central parks in Boston and San Francisco…

[-] residentmarchant@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I got interested in the thought and looked it up. Boston Common predates Central Park by about 200 years!

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[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Check out Forest Park in St. Louis. It's nice.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Didn't Los Angeles have central green space (not on the scale of central park in NYC, but large) that was gradually eaten away and paved over with time?

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

I don't know about other cities, but the ones I've lived near were simply too irregularly shaped. NYC was able to be built like a grid, but a city like, say, Buffalo (go Bills!) is both too wibbly wobbly as well as too cold to envision a park being used as a centerpiece.

[-] CiderApplenTea@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I may remember incorrectly, but NY was only 'able' to build in a grid by displacing a lot of residents and tearing it all down to start from scratch

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[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Chicago has a huge lakefront park as well as large parks throughout neighborhoods connected by grassy and tree-lined avenues. Not quite Central Park but a lot of great park space throughout for residents.

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