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[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 134 points 1 month ago

Benn Jordan leveraged his expertise in audio engineering to investigate this phenomenon. Do watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo

[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 55 points 1 month ago

Benn Jordan is a gem, do yourself a favor and just go watch all his stuff.

His latest on robot dogs is amazingly well-executed and researched with terrifying conclusions.

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Listen to his music, too! It’s amazing! I’ve seen him a few times and one time the equipment at the festival didn’t work so he just improvised his whole set. He was insanely good at it. So much vocoder, it was delightful!

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Benn Jordan is like an anarchist Mr. Rogers.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

We need an anarchist Mr. Rogers. Just someone pure of heart to talk to kids about taking care of their neighbors no matter what the government says. Little everyday lessons in consensus and how to deal with the conflicts that arise when different people have different big feelings. How everyone is special just for being themselves and we should encourage our neighbors to be their unique selves.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Totally agree.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't disagree, but I feel like the actual Mr. Rogers probably created a lot of Anarchists on his own! I think everything he teaches is not just cohesive with, but runs parallel to, Anarchist teachings. Taking care of yourself and your community is the foundation of Anarchism. I don't know if being explicit would necessarily help, and it could push some people away from hearing the message.

He was too friendly with cops though.

[-] dumnezero@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

so, a huge improvement. :)

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[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

The US has a serious problem with who is able to sue for what damages when it comes to pollution. Depending on if it's noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 31 points 1 month ago

Depending on if it's noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.

Boy, it's almost like those are meant to protect something and someone else... Hm... 🤔

[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Publicize the costs, privatize the profits!

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 month ago

Just tax the fucking things already. Fuck tax breaks and kick out any administrators who take the bribes and go against the wishes of their constituents.

[-] Insekticus@aussie.zone 19 points 1 month ago

Woah woah woah, let's not get hasty. I say we dismember the administrators for taking bribes. Why just kick them out?

[-] binux@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah, the chimpanzee method.

It really weirds me out that gratuitous violence as a response to societal injustice is so common on Lemmy, if not across Humanity as a whole. Like let’s say this back-to-basics style of justice comes about in modern society and all the relevant assholes are subjected to it. What then? At least, what would the violence even be in the name of? Retribution? How is that productive in any way?

I realize this is a pretty disproportionate response to a relatively banal comment, but I see sentiments such as this one (either intended as sarcasm or not) so often here that I’m essentially using this as a catch-all spot for my thoughts on it.

I’ll just end this tangent with a quote about this sort of thing from a guy way smarter than me (and I promise I’m not just trying to be pretentious it actually applies.)

Absolute freedom mocks at justice. Absolute justice denies freedom. To be fruitful, the two ideas must find their limits in each other. - My buddy Albert Camus

[-] Insekticus@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the violence would be in the name of justice and retribution!

The chimpanzee method, as you call it, is the best form of justice for those sub-human billionaire and multi-millionaire urchins who kill, rape, and eat children.

Unless, of course, you're okay with that form of violence? Are you okay with the violence inherent in the capitalist system?

Like where do you draw the line for violence and retribution?

[-] binux@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don’t put words in my mouth, they taste too salty.

To an extent violence is an effective tool: that I can definitely agree with. There’s never been any social progress without blood being shed on some level.

It’s when it turns into a gratuitous means of communal catharsis that it becomes inherently counterintuitive by serving no other practical outcome than creating murderers and dehumanizers out of progressives. And these sub-humans and urchins you speak of are, whether you like it or not, extremely human, and even further than that are direct products of the societies that we’ve been complacent in for our entire lives and, likewise, we are also products of.

So to answer your question clearly, I draw the line at violence when it’s in the name of the abstract: not only because I oppose things like the death penalty as a matter of principle, but because violence for an ideal or ideals is valuable to no one and nothing. No one gains anything material by destroying for the sake of it. It’s just that: destructive. Something I wish we humans learned a long time ago, but I digress.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I think you are just seeing the pot boil over more and more.

It wasn't like this 2 years ago.

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[-] moustachio@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Why wouldn’t you do that to the board of directors of the companies bribing the officials? When removing weeds you need to pull out the roots.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

When did they say not to?

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[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Because violence tends to either escalate or peter out. Either you run out of people that support you or you eventually force the government to throw all its might at suppressing you. Unless you are very well-prepared, organised and have sufficient and resilient support, it might fail and not achieve much other than provide further pretext for crackdown.

Historically, non-violent resistance has a good track record, if (and only if) it is targeted well and applied with resilience and persistence. It has a potential to galvanise the participants, stir people into action (which helps with recruiting more) and cast the injustice of a violent system into relief.

Mind, non-violently doesn't mean writing stern letters or standing on the wayside looking pissed. It absolutely includes disrupting, getting in the way, being a nuisance, being impossible to ignore. The Nashville sit-ins, for example, obstructed the business of lunch counters that refused to serve black people by taking up spots reserved for the people that the establishment would actually like to do business with. In our example, people might occupy the offices of the corrupt administrators, asking to talk to them and making them listen to their constituents in the most literal way, refusing to leave until they get results.

It most certainly will be considered some form of unlawful conduct and will possibly be met with force. The police will be called and start making arrests. But a well-organised and patient campaign to coerce the corrupt officials into rescinding their decisions or resigning (at which point their successors will be subjected to the same demand) doesn't need to hurt people.

It just needs to erode their will until complying with the demands looks like the most bearable option.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Have a number of big fans run at almost the same frequency, and you get an onslaught of waves at the differences of those frequencies.

As they are all nearly the same speed/frequency, the differences will be infrasound, which causes a lot of odd effects on people, like anxiety.

[-] justaman123@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

So basically the data centers could alleviate their sound problems by having all their fans run at opposite frequencies to cancel our the sound through deconstructive interference

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 1 month ago

Or better, shutting down entirely.

[-] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

And do something that's good for people at virtually no expense? Haha, no.

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Or soundproof the building.

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[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but do you know what's super useful? Molotov cocktails.

[-] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Not sure how effective that would be unless you were able to get inside the building and could strategically deliver them.

What you really need is a drone that can drop thermite, then lower a small EMP device into the hole.

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[-] Aufgehtsabgehts@feddit.org 22 points 1 month ago

The same argument is used by opponents of wind energy - Infrasound is having bad effects on their health. People do say that while living next to roads that are producing infrasound multiple times louder than wind turbines ever could.

It's a nice argument if you need it.

[-] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 5 points 1 month ago

There's documented proof of this being measured by multiple people.

A windmill is literally only a visual blight.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

How on earth do wind turbines produce infrared sound? The huge things there's no way they can achieve the necessary vibrations to produce audio let alone in for sound it's just stupid.

The infra sound has been produced from the high pressure wakes generated in the heat exhaust

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

so same thing as for wind turbines then

Edit: as in, they should not be built where people live because you can feel the vibrations and it has a measurable effect on your vascular health. i linked a paper.

[-] black0ut@pawb.social 27 points 1 month ago

Wind turbines don't make infrasound like datacenters. While they do make some infrasound, it's less loud than datacenters, and most impostantly, doesn't get transmitted really far (air is pretty inefficient at transmitting infrasound).

However, datacenters are louder, and have better mechanical connection with the ground. The ground is very good at transmitting infrasound, and it can even vibrate an entire building if the structure resonates. This effect is not new, and we've also seen it with other industrial buildings with heavy machinery. Furthermore, due to regulations, you can't build as close to a wind farm as you can to a datacenter.

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[-] KingKong33@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

There's tons of evidence for data centers, but I've never heard the same for wind turbines. Do you have a source?

[-] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Can confirm I have seen tons of articles over the years of residents complaining about low frequency hum from wind turbines. Just Google it. In comments sections, it generally gets written off as bullshit or the residents just hating clean energy. Now the same scenario comes up for data centers and people want to accept it as a legitimate problem.

I dunno, but maybe being exposed to a constant non-stop noise that never turns off might not be good for humans, no matter what the source is.

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 1 month ago

i've heard it a lot but never put much stock in it until there was actual research: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8

[-] arockinyourshoe@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I would love to see your explanation for why wind turbines have as much a negative impact on people's health as hyperscale data centers.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 1 month ago

apparently low-frequency noise causes heart rate variations. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8

the conclusion is the same for both things too: don't build them where people live.

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[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

This would be hell for me.

[-] radamant@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

While I'm not a fan of Big tech, but this surely is nonsense. Are they saying there are more vibrations than, say, living in New York? Near those train lines and billions of cars (and there are probably data centers there too).

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

You better watch this video by Benn Jordan about exactly this issue: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo

He measured the reported issue.

Here is a timestamp witg the datacenrer noise isolated: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?t=540

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[-] nullspace@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'm surprised the 49ers haven't already built a data center right next to their stadium.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

This is so stupid I cant believe people fall for it

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

What makes you assume this is bogus, when it's been shown repeatedly that it can negatively affect people. Just because you're not sensitive to it, doesn't mean no one else is.

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