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[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Again, in America.

And again, your lives are in your own hands, nobodys coming to help you.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

They didn't release them though? They only released select parts that don't implicate the pedos they're protecting.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Uhhhh the shit out there definitely implicate the ever living shit out of the pedos they are protecting. They are not investigating or charging anyone, more proof at this point don't mean much.

[-] BeardededSquidward 3 points 1 day ago
[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Just gotta get the first big fat orange racist pedophile rapist domino to fall, then the rest will be swept up in a great wave.

[-] dasrael@lemmy.zip 2 points 23 hours ago

Yep. And they will. Because the rich to not have to follow the rules that us plebes do. And that's going to continue as long as the middle class can shit comfortably, they're is not enough outrage to change that status quo. All the cope and seething in the world wont fix that until people start getting off their asses and well, we all know that isn't going to happen.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 7 points 1 day ago

Jail? Why assume the jail owners aren't in the Epstein files? Why assume the judges aren't? Why assume anyone with the individual power to stop this isn't in on it? The only way to make them pay is to take the payment ourselves, but to do that we'd need to be alright with both working together and enacting justified violence, and I don't know if either is possible anymore.

[-] ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 2 points 23 hours ago

There's no real way of fixing the system other than just a supermassive massacre of the upper class at this point, right?

I've thought about it long and hard on if there's an easier option but I just can't get it

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 points 23 hours ago

Not really. The point of a government is to be the big intimidating force that keeps would-be exploitative forces in check, but it's now owned and run by those very people. The second amendment was made for this exact scenario, because when the big brother protecting you from bullies becomes a bully, the only one left to put up a fight is you.

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

I have bad news: real way is to stop producing humans like what we have now in the upper class. Unless this is done, best we can get is a periodic cleansing, until next time of "well, things went to shit again"

[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago
[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 6 points 1 day ago

You've isolated the crux of the issue. Those in power have long since realized that they can abuse your trust to 2 ends - they can exploit you while you trust them, and even when you stop trusting them, you tend to stop trusting everyone, making it harder for you to come together with your peers to rival the strength of the system.

The paradox we must overcome is that we must inherently distrust the wealthy, while still having enough trust in our peers to stand with them against the wealthy without fearing that they'll shoot us in the back. It seems easy to differentiate between the two groups, but it's surprisingly difficult to see 2 people with no outward differentiating factors, yet trust one with your life and assume the other is planning to manipulate you.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 92 points 2 days ago

They have only released half of them, heavily redacted. The Trump admin is violating the law by keeping the rest hidden.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 47 points 2 days ago
[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

the people dancing are…. congress

[-] grainfed@quokk.au 9 points 2 days ago

Last that I heard it was about 2 or 3% of the files, of which there are Terabytes, and heavily redacted.

[-] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 28 points 2 days ago

Americans are toothless. Trump can do anything he wants and the only thing stopping him is his own failing health.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Americans are toothless.

Americans are hyper-individualistic, TV-brained, and alienated from each other to the point that nobody can conceive of a better plan to end this administration than to walk directly up Pennsylvania Avenue with a small-caliber pistol, square up at the front door of 1600, and start firing.

That, or hold a big march in the center of town telling the Gestapo to fuck off, and then I don't know what happens next because the national media simply refuses to talk about Minneapolis anymore.

[-] MrKoyun@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 22 hours ago

No it is just americans assume everyone is like them. They assume everyone is just an american deep down, and oh boy are they in for a shock.

[-] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Land of the free and home of the brave was always a load of crap, and Trump has proven that to the world.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It is called propaganda, our nation was built on lies.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Americans are toothless.

Nah, they're extremely violent against minorities, women, iraqis, palestinians, venezuelans, et al.

They're just toothless against pale rich bros. The lack of teeth makes the BJ better. (sorry, not sorry)

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I'm Iraqi, nothing grinds my gears more than brain dead Westerners using my country and my people as prop for ignorant talking points.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Boy, I would think Westerners blowing up your country and killing your friends and families would be the issue. I guess we will continue to do that but refrain from talking about it. Are you happy now?

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You're proving my point. You literally know nothing about the country's people, history, problems, geopolitics, or culture. I'm fully confident that you never even stepped foot in that region of the world, let alone the country itself and I also highly doubt you've ever met an Iraqi, let alone spoken to them about what they think about their own country. All of your information comes from grossly oversimplified, ignorant, and misleading narratives from other Western activists who use us as props to push their agendas. You can't speak on behalf of other people and then try to talk to them when they call you out for doing so. That level of arrogance is peak Western chauvinism.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I had a good friend named Areef who surrendered during Iraqi Freedom. He trained police and military in the use of small arms. He was learning to be a commercial pilot in the US and was dating a white girl. He eventually left to go back to Iraq to marry as an obligation to his family.

You are frankly full of shit which is why I commented to begin with. I totally get your sentiment, but you said it in such a stupid and trivial way I couldn't help myself. I am sorry for what has happened to Iraq and your people.

So please take your outrage somewhere else and do try not to make an idiot out of yourself in the future. If not just for you, but the people of Iraq. The last thing we need is someone like yourself pouring fuel on a fire.

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I had a good friend named Areef who surrendered during Iraqi Freedom. He trained police and military in the use of small arms.

The US is notorious for making it extremely difficult for anyone to enter the country in general. Iraqis, specifically, had to (still do) go through a much more extreme vetting process than other immigrants. The US was very wary of terrorism at the time, and so they almost never accepted young military aged men by themselves. Most of the people who were accepted were families.

Now for people who were actually in the military in some capacity, they get to go through a special vetting process that's extremely long, demanding, and difficult. It did not matter if you're a woman, a cook, retired, surrendered to the US military, disabled, or were applying with your family, everybody went through it. The vast majority of these cases were rejected. For anybody who actually dealt with weapons, that rejection was pretty much guaranteed. The rejection rates were so high that such individuals often found it worth the risk to lie about their involvement on their applications so they could leave with their families.

My family literally went through this process. I've seen this shit first hand. The only possibilities for your friend are these: Either your friend is made up, Areef lied to you, or he was the luckiest man in the country at the time.

He was learning to be a commercial pilot in the US and was dating a white girl. He eventually left to go back to Iraq to marry as an obligation to his family.

I'll let you in on another thing regarding Iraqi immigrants, once they're out of the country they never go back. Iraq is dangerous, oppressive, extremely hot, poor, and unstable. For people who put themselves through hell to leave, there's no way they would voluntarily go back, especially once they get a taste of the freedom and high standards of living outside the country. For Iraqis in diaspora that do get married to Iraqis in Iraq (which does happen a lot), they almost always pull their spouse to come live with them outside of country. In fact, a lot of marriages exist for this purpose because that's one of the few avenues that people could realistically immigrate to the West.

That being said, Iraq is no place to raise a family, especially back then, and everybody knows this. Which is why I find it very unlikely that his family would demand their son to give up the life he built to go back to Iraq and start a family there. No family would be unreasonable enough to ask their son to do this, and no reasonable son would accept such a request. Especially because marriage as an obligation is not a thing for men in Iraqi culture. So again, the only possibilities are either that your friend is made up, he lied to you, or he has the most unique and unreasonable family circumstances.

You are frankly full of shit which is why I commented to begin with. I totally get your sentiment, but you said it in such a stupid and trivial way I couldn’t help myself. I am sorry for what has happened to Iraq and your people.

There's nothing wrong with showing empathy towards Iraqis nor is there any issue discussing the events that took place. The parts that I specifically take issue with when people try to use us as props to push their agenda, when they spread misinformation about what happened on our behalf, and when they talk down to Iraqis who call them out. In other words, don't speak for Iraqis, only Iraqis can speak for themselves. This is not specific to you, but it is a big issue in the Western discourse in general. This type of attitude tends to come from people with good intentions, but it often comes off as patronizing.

So please take your outrage somewhere else and do try not to make an idiot out of yourself in the future. If not just for you, but the people of Iraq. The last thing we need is someone like yourself pouring fuel on a fire.

This is precisely the thing I'm criticizing.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Epstein files were just the sequal to the Panama Papers.

[-] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

to be fair 2 ppl did go to jail, one just isnt alive anymore and the other is in a prison thats more like a resort.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

I’ve seen a lot of stuff posted saying “just a reminder that the only person punished for Epstein files was a woman!“. But it seems like the people saying that forgot that Epstein himself went to prison and then died.

[-] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Being murdered to prevent snitching isn't justice, or even vengeance because it wasn't carried out by a victim.

It was the shitbags covering their tracks.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

That's not my point though. It's that he did have a legal punishment in effect.

[-] eestileib 16 points 2 days ago

Or maybe he's in Israel living it up and laughing at the goyim, who knows?

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Okay, by that token we don't know that the lady in prison in Maxwell.

[-] greenbit@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

There are so many coincidences there that it's tough to know if either case is true

[-] greenbit@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

All of that in the files is continuing, not a thing in the past

[-] StillAlive@piefed.world 14 points 2 days ago
[-] CaptainHowdy@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

That's because the DOJ hasn't released any actually damning information. They released enough to fuel further conspiracy BS (ugh the jerky thing is so embarrassing for those morons that bought into it), but there's no way they are going to release our disclose anything that is doing to harm those they are trying to protect. That shit is buried or destroyed if it ever existed in the first place. Only chance we will see anything real is if Trump's folks kept evidence they can use as leverage or blackmail in the future.

[-] BeardededSquidward 1 points 1 day ago

Is the eating people thing false? Likely, but I wouldn't put it past some of them to do it if the opportunity presented itself.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

the DOJ hasn’t released any actually damning information

Biden's DOJ played this tune under Trump. "Sorry, but we went through the last four years of files and he's done nothing illegal! Damn shame. Better luck next term."

It's just more bullshit. We've seen ample evidence to support the claim that Trump facilitated human trafficking for Jeffery Epstein through his Mar-a-Lago resort. We've seen evidence of money laundering and racketeering, specifically by way of extorting the labor of the women in their employment. We've seen mountains of evidence of conspiracy to commit tax fraud, to the point that they were outright bragging about it in exchanges. That was Epstein's whole entry point into the world of New York high society. We've had a string of testimonies of women in Epstein's employment naming individuals engaged in sexual assault (Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor chief among them).

There is no shortage of evidence. What we have is a shortage of prosecutors willing to pursue these cases. The fact that Alvin Bragg had to go after some small-fry bullshit, got Trump on 34 indictments, convicted him on all charges, and then had the judge wave the sentence should tell you everything you need to know about our criminal justice system.

That shit is buried or destroyed

It was printed on the front pages of the NYT.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 14 points 2 days ago

These people have to physically exist somewhere.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Drones are still relatively cheap. You can still get your hands on a 3d printer.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Washington DC

[-] Pondis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I really hope that when I say "Yet" that it means something.

Trump is actively protecting paedophiles with the corrupt governments backing.

Fingers crossed in November the Democrats gain control and start making arrests.

[-] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Look at the last Russian 'elections';

Soldiers with guns at polling stations, barging into booths and assaulting anyone who didn't vote 'right'. Others stuffing the boxes with false ballots.

The regressives dont even need ICE to cover all bases, just the ones that they dont have enough gun-happy rednecks all to glad to help enforce their own shitty downfall in total ignorance.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 2 days ago

You know the most ridiculous thing I think I ever heard from the release of what we got, was there was proof that Trump had worked with Epstein to host "Calendar Parties" which everyone explained as pretty skeevy parties to oggle teenage girls who were 16 and that it was rough and all that but oh well...

Calendars only have 12 months. Like they sane washed the age so you can still be a little upset but argue it isnt that bad. They made sure he looks like a villain but only a small one instead of the real disgusting one they all are.

[-] CaptainHowdy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

I guess I should have been more specific. I was talking about what the DOJ has released since Trump's second term.

As far as evidence of tax evasion or anything not related to trafficking, that's not what most people mean when they refer to the Epstein files. To me that seems obvious, but maybe not to everyone else.

We all know Trump is crooked and corrupt. He's doing it in plain sight. What people want is evidence of powerful and wealthy people involved in sex crimes with underage women. If any evidence of that kind exists, it's not being released or at least has not been released yet.

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