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[-] cattywampas@lemmy.world 52 points 4 weeks ago

Satan doesn't do the punishing, God does.

[-] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

God cast the souls He created but deemed "bad" out into nothingness, Satan created a refuge for them so they could at least exist, if in the cold uncaring shadow of a vengeful, loveless God.

[-] YabbaDabbaDipshit@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

christian hell is just fire island and satan makes a mean skinny marg

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

One interpretation is that the denizens of hell actually punish themselves. They know their actions were evil and sent them there, and that they deserve the punishment, so they receive the punishment they think they deserve.

[-] cattywampas@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Jason Lee's character in Dogma brings this up. He said that initially Hell was just the absence of God (which in itself is said to be painful), but once humans got there they were so unable to forgive themselves and live without the divine presence that they turned it into a place of unimaginable pain and suffering.

I don't think that's supported by the Bible and I'm not sure if that's a position that was even put forth by later Christian thinkers, but it's all mythology to me anyway and I find the different interpretations interesting.

[-] Niberius@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'm fairly sure it's the interpretation Dante runs with in Inferno. I have no clue if it was the popular belief at the time, but it does show the idea has been around for at least 700 years or so.

[-] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So psychopaths get off scot-free

[-] StillAlive@piefed.world 44 points 3 weeks ago

Because that lore isn't from The Bible, it's from Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 19 points 3 weeks ago

The number of people that think things from Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost are from the Bible is shockingly large.

Just goes to show how few actually read anything from the various flavors of Bible. So much effort to bring those words to a form the average person could read, instead of relying on Clergy to interpret for them... and no one does it.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

i mean, they're fanfiction based off contemporary understandings of the bible, so i get it.

[-] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’m pretty sure Dante Alighieri was not writing fanfiction, but was in fact creating a satirical work, as he wrote this during his years of being Excommunicated. Which is also part of The reason it’s referred to as The Divine Comedy (La Divina Commedia). He was excommunicated for false political crimes.

Also Dante’s Inferno was also a proof of concept for what became the modern Italian language.

( though if you’re saying fan fiction sarcastically I do agree)

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Look man if someone comes to found a new language based on Harry Potter smut it won't change what it was.

[-] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

Hahaha, that’s a fantastic point

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[-] Damage@feddit.it 10 points 3 weeks ago

It's been a while since the Divina Commedia was inflicted on me, but as far as I recall, Lucifer doesn't really rule hell, he's called its emperor but he's just its foremost prisoner. The only people he's punishing are the three great sinners he's chewing on, but that's more of a fluke.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This perfectly explains where we got retail management hierarchy from.

[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Inferno has the Devil frozen at the heart of hell, struggling in vain to break free, his beating wings producing the freezing wind that keeps him trapped. Not my idea of a ruler, to be honest.

[-] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 40 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Satan just wants you to be yourself and be cool to everyone else.

I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

[-] EggInDisguise 21 points 4 weeks ago

I wore a shirt with the 7 tenets on the front, and my mother threw a massive fit when she saw it one day.

I sent her plain text of the tenets, and said if she can point to a single thing wrong with anything it says, I'll consider it. I got no response.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 weeks ago

Satan isn't evil, he even turn Buu good. He's the greatest.

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

Christians frame things as "All of the Christians are sitting here in one group, and all of the non-Christians are sitting over there in a different group."

And that's fine. It's absolutely true.

And if God exists and is the creator of the universe, that's pretty good for the Christians, and pretty bad for everyone else.

But if God doesn't exist, then the Christians are just all together in a group that isn't getting to enjoy their existence while the rest of the world is just trying to enjoy theirs, and the Christians are just trying to prevent those other people from enjoying their lives.

Either way, I'm surprised that the creator of the universe would organize things so that it would look that way from the outside.

[-] Spezi@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

The bible also says that god loves all creatures equally and since he created everything he should love every non-christian just as much as he loves christians. So why invest all the time if in the end, he loves you just the same?

[-] wieson@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

That's because it's neither a points system, nor a corporate ladder, nor an auction, nor an investment account. It is a relationship. I spend time with whom I love.

[-] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago

Uno reverse card on Pascal's wager

[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago

My favorite part of this post is people from different flavors of Christianity arguing completely different things using the same source.

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

If a masochist goes to hell he's in heaven

[-] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Uh oh Deep, if you put more than five seconds of thought into your religion you might lose it. Remember any doubts you have about Christianity were planted in your mind by the devil to lead you away from God. They are definitely not your own rational thoughts!

[-] YabbaDabbaDipshit@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

God commands me to scold the homeless and ensure the starvation of poor kids.

Oh fuck that's not god it's just right wing christianity based policy who the fuck have I been listening to

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

I like South Park Satan. That is how I choose to see it.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Who ever said Satan is punishing evil doers?

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[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

There is a book called Waiting for the Intergalactic bus where god and satan turn out to be 2 energy based life forms who are students and were accidentally left behind on a class trip. Satan decides to ignore the prime directive and interfere with life on earth to pass the time. The torture in hell is strictly the humans idea, if I remember correctly.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 weeks ago

Because doing evil is evil, and requires an evil person, no matter how they are.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 weeks ago

Every individual is capable of good and evil, it doesn't require a specific person for it. In fact believing it does (and therefore usually believing it isn't you or your social group, but others) is a shortcut to inadvertently do evil shit without noticing any of it.

"You don't have to be evil to kill someone. You just have to think you are right." - Yoko Taro

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yes agree. But that makes a person not universally good. One could say evil.

So "god" being all good would not be able to do this because it is a human response to a human misdeed.

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

within good is the capacity for evil. within evil is the capacity for good. we have both within us. we are at peace when they are balanced.

that's literally what this means

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago

isnt almost all his demons giving people deals too and its rarely him doing it.

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