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[-] kamenlady@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago

This is genocide by the book. After almost 2 decades of being kept poor & isolated, comes in an ultra modern army to do exactly what?

I'm German and anti Hamas.

Where's the fight against Hamas taking place, btw? There should be footage of destroyed Hamas stuff or some dead Hamas Soldiers to be seen, or am i missing something?

Israel has been bombarding for days

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Where do you think Hamas is hiding???

[-] los_chill@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

"Hiding" doesn't justify killing civilians.

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Above commenter asked where the fight with Hamas is taking place.

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[-] rdri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think fighting terrorism and warning citizens before bombing is not genocide. Telling citizens they are, in fact, should not run (hamas does that), is closer to genocide.

Actual process of getting rid of terrorists is not exactly something anyone should require to trust someone, but you can check a lot of videos they publish of destroying specific buildings in Gaza.

Be sure to also check the videos of Palestinians killing innocents left and right in Israel. They recorded those themselves.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bear with me a bit, if you will. There's a sharp point, at least I think so.

If you've never lived on the ground for a disaster like a hurricane or tornado, it's worse than any picture or video can depict. I wept in the street, on my knees, the morning after Hurricane Ivan. It was 10AM, a cool, leafless autumn morning, but it had been summer 12-hours earlier. 10 of those hours was darkness and that nonstop goddamned freight train sound.

"My god, what happened to my new city?" Had no notion of the blast radius, all I could see was what I could see. Watched the blue fireworks of exploding transformers all night. Still didn't hit me. Thinking I was on my own, I wept a bit when the Guard rolled in. "We're getting help?! What? Why? How?"

After living though Ivan, I cried my eyes out seeing what happened to my neighbors in southern Mississippi after Katrina. And then I went and saw for myself. My poor words cannot do justice.

My father-in-law, after picking up a pair of Bronze Stars in Iraq, came home and fought his way through to save those people. They sawed fucking houses in half to open the roads. This old white man was so fond of his memories, showing us pictures of the little black kids they gave salvaged Walmart bikes to. He looked like a proud papa. And then he disintegrated.

He was fine after Iraq, held it together. His Katrina PTSD led him to leave his wife of 32-years and ignore his only child, blew his family apart.

And here's the tip of the spear:

This is an order of magnitude worse. This isn't some blameless natural disaster. These aren't first-world country folks, cranking up the gennies, sharing what they got with anyone in need, pulling together in the face of tragedy. This is a modern nation state purposefully and with malice aforethought conducting genocide on a weaker neighbor. National Guard ain't rolling in for these folks. They're truly on their own.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

Damn bro I feel that. Thanks for sharing 😔

[-] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Way to make this about you

[-] Why9@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Way to make this about you

You're really, really stupid if that's what you got from it.

[-] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago

I took it to be them anchoring in their own experiences and trying to use those experiences as a way to help others understand even 1/10 of what the Gazans are going through. Felt like it was coming from a place of support and empathy. I can see your interpretation too, though.

[-] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

It's illegal to share experiences now?

They shared theirs so you can have context on how bad the situation is on gaza. Chill on your projections bro.

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[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago
[-] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

If Israel's genocidal campaign is actually halted (likely temporarily), the lingering effects of this bombing campaign will continue to claim lives. There will be an increase in premature deaths, at least until Israel decides to complete its final solution. Weapons manufacturers and those who use their products aren't known for "green" initiatives.

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 year ago

Can someone give me the straight talk on why western countries, who usually at least try to look like they have the moral high ground, are falling all over themselves in support of Israel?

What is the non-conspiracy nutter reason why the US feels the need to provide billions of dollars in support to Israel?

Clearly actions on both sides are reprehensible, some more-so than others. There's no goodies and baddies here. There's aggressors, innocents, and victims on all sides.

[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Hamas are terrorists and Western governments support combatting them. Hamas hides behind civilians who tragically are the victims of the war Hamas started this time

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

That's not really an answer though - obviously there's a question of degree.

If there were 20,000 terrorists with access to advanced weaponry then a few hundred civilian casualties is probably acceptable. If there's 100 terrorists with access to some home made rockets then a few thousand civilian casualties probably isn't acceptable.

Is the present campaign against Gaza with the mode of engagement by Israel really the surest path to peace with the least civilian casualties? Hard to believe given that there was a stale mate just a few weeks ago.

Besides which, you can't kill all the terrorists, that's not how extremism works.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Because Israel is ultimately a problem created by western nations like the UK and US, have more similar culture to the west and are their strategic partner for the area whereas the arab nations are traditionally backed by Russia. So they basically HAVE to give them unconditional support to Israel or lose their influence on the region.

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[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago

War is about resources. USA and Britain don't give a shit about giving the land (that they stole from Palestinians) to Jewish people. Israel and Saudi Arabia are their only ways to project power in the region to have leverage against countries with more oil.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You said it. Actions of one side are more reprehensible than of the other. In fact, much more reprehensible from what I see.

One side: "We understand you have terrorists, but it's not our responsibility to help you with it because we value lives of our people. We are going to help you with basic supplies like water, electricity, internet etc., and protect ourselves with the iron dome. It all costs a lot but lives are really what matters."

Another side: "Our objective will not be completed until your country and citizens stop existing. We were elected having this objective by our people. We will teach our children that this is also their objective. We will build rockets. We will launch them at you even if some of them may not reach your territory. We will launch them from civillian buildings because we know you care about lives of civillians. You will think twice before launching anything back, and when you do, you will be blamed by the world for killing innocents. We will kill as many of your civilians as we can, by our hands. We will brake their limbs and hold them hostages, even if they are the citizens of other countries. And when you retaliate, the world will blame you for what you have done. The world must understand that by killing your people we fight for our future, and give us everything we need. This will be glorious, and you will die, and we will prosper, and the world will forget we are the killers, and remember you as killers. We will throw every resource we have for that to happen, be it the money we got as a humanitarian aid for our citizens or ~~baby dolls that should be indistinguishable from dead children with some mosaic. Oops we forgot the mosaic.~~ You didnt see it. You are the killers."

[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 year ago

Ignoring Jewish settlers in the West Bank, Gaza quite literally being a ghetto full of people forced off their land, the military checkpoints, the complete imbalance of deaths and suffering between the two sides.

As reprehensible as the violence is on both sides, Israel/Palestine is an apartheid state and Palestinians suffer far more than just from the effects of violence.

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[-] resin85@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago

"War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander." -- MAS*H

[-] nefurious_krankstar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems the only solution to the conflict is the most inhumane, and both sides know this. Maybe the conflict is better than the solution.

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Would it be a a final solution of sorts? Sounds familiar

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago

They also unironically have been using "the Palestinian Question"

So damn infuriating

[-] seathru@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Maybe the conflict is better than the solution.

Please expound.

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