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Black Mirror creator unafraid of AI because it’s “boring”::Charlie Brooker doesn’t think AI is taking his job any time soon because it only produces trash

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[-] SkyeStarfall 120 points 11 months ago

The thing with AI, is that it mostly only produces trash now.

But look back to 5 years ago, what were people saying about AI? Hell, many thought that the kind of art that AI can make today would be impossible for it to create! ..And then it suddenly did. We'll, it wasn't actually suddenly, and the people in the space probably saw it coming, but still.

The point is, we keep getting better at creating AIs that do stuff we thought were impossible a few years ago, stuff that we said would show true intelligence if an AI can do them. And yet, every time some new impressive AI gets developed, people say it sucks, is boring, is far from good enough, etc. While it slowly, every time, creeps on closer to us, replacing a few jobs here and there in the fringes. Sure, it's not true intelligence, and it still doesn't beat humans, but, it beats most, at demand, and what happens when inevitably better AIs get created?

Maybe we're in for another decades long AI winter.. or maybe we're not, and plenty more AI revolutions are just around the corner. I think AIs current capabilities are frighteningly good, and not something I expected to happen this soon. And the last decade or so has seen massive progress in this area, who's to say where the current path stops?

[-] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think the breakthroughs in AI have largely happened now as we're reaching a slowndown and an adoption phase

The research has been stagnating. Video with temporal consistency doesn't want to come, voice is still perceptibly non-human, openai is assembling 5 models in a trenchcoat to make gpt do images and it passing as progress, ...

Companies and people are adopting what is already there for new applications, it's getting more common to see neural network models in lots of solutions where the tech adds good value and is applicable, but the models aren't breaking new grounds like in 2021 anymore

The only new fundamental developments i can recall in the core technology is the push for smaller models trainable on way less data and that can be specialized for certain applications. Far away from the shock we all got when AI suddenly learned to draw a picture from a prompt

[-] SkyeStarfall 10 points 11 months ago

I want to note that everything you talk about is happening on the scales of months to single years. That's incredibly rapid pace, and also too short of a timeframe to determine true research trends.

Usually research is considered rapid if there is meaningful progression within a few years, and more realistically about a decade or so. I mean, take something like real time ray tracing, for comparison.

When I'm talking about the future of AI, I'm thinking like 10-20 years. We simply don't know enough about what is possible to say what will happen by then.

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

By its nature, Large Language Models won't ever be truly innovative, after all they rely on expected patterns. But a lot of the media that we consume is also made to appeal to patterns that we expect: genres, tropes, usual messages. AI could replace a lot of it and frankly, that's scary to think in a world where we need to work to earn our living.

Truly groundbreaking art may not be what people usually seek, it's often something they don't even know they want until they experience it, or they might even fail to appreciate it. But it likely won't be automated unless AI achieves full consciousness, but if it does we will have a much more complicated situation in our hands than "we can command AI to make art better than we can do ourselves".

Still, getting paranoid over the uncertain latter won't help us with the former that is just around the corner.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Good points.

One problem with replacing everything with AI that people don't think about: middle managers will start to be replaced too. There's no way to ask a LLM "why did you do that"? Fewer people will need to be managed.

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It seems unwise to replace managers with LLMs because LLMs don't understand the real world implications of their responses, they don't have awareness of the real world, they simply give you often used language patterns, which can be innacurate or biased based on flawed human data. But it would be a great way for sketchy human executives to offload responsibility for unethical actions and feign objectivity or uninvolvement, so I don't doubt they will try.

Even if we imagine a perfect AI that does takes into account every objective fact and philosophical argument, that still leaves the question of how will the people who get replaced in all these intellectual, artistic and service jobs will make a living. That's not an answer that technology will give us, that will a nasty political situation.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

No, you misunderstood. The managers are fired because there's fewer people to manage.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Movie and TV executives don't care about boring. Reality shows are boring. They just care if they make money.

[-] Sylver@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

I miss the old Black Mirror…

[-] overkill0485@lemmy.ml 32 points 11 months ago

I'm legit wondering what crack were they smoking in the latest season.

[-] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I thought this season was way better than the season before it. I was glad they went with something different like the horror theme. The season prior was a shit show of boring tropes.

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[-] homoludens@feddit.de 56 points 11 months ago

Bold of him to assume that companies would not just publish the trash - and that people would not watch it anyway.

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[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

"I was frightened a second ago; now I’m bored because this is so derivative." - Me, while watching some of the Black Mirror episodes, proudly made by fellow humans.

[-] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

I'm not to worried about AI. Isn't the next iteration of GPT closed source? Technology is made best as a research or passion project, but once profits become the focus everything goes down hill. That and when you consider the global supply chain required to manufacture the chips that AI depends on, well things aren't looking too great in that department.

Tl;DR humans will shit all over the prospect of scary intelligent AI well before we get there.

[-] darth_helmet@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

“Open”AI is entirely proprietary and closed-source.

Meta’s Llama series are kind of open source, but don’t publish the weights and so can’t really be reproduced with full accuracy without a ton of manual effort.

These and many other companies in the hype-space are using the same published research from a few years ago, which is why they have similar qualities.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Chatgpt was not open source in the first place

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[-] frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

There are plenty of open source GPTs and they are pretty good. It's only a matter of time

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago

Did he not watch the latest season? Fuck, one episode was literally devoid of scifi entirely. Latest season only had one good ep in it.

[-] Cheesus@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Ever since Netflix took over, it's been a step down in quality

[-] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Eh, I never bought this. The show has always been wildly uneven. The first season was very strong with two great episodes but the first episode is not great. The second season is pretty bad overall with the exception of Be Right Back. White Christmas was a good one off. The first Netflix season had some really strong showings with Nosedive, Shut Up And Dance and my personal favorite of the whole series San Junipero. I even thought season 4 was pretty decent overall. Also, banderanatch was actually pretty cool, especially if you really dug into all the paths.

The last 2 seasons, 5 & 6 were pretty bad overall with only one good episode each and some particularly bad ones. But honestly Charlie is probably just running out of ideas and I can't really blame him at this point. I suspect he's just trying different things. Sometimes big swings work and sometimes you just get Mazey Day.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

I really, really could not get behind the premise that the PM of the UK would fuck a pig to save a princess.

In the real world, it would have been "we do not make deals with terrorists" and that would be that, ratings be damned. Like holy shit, did he start with a completely unrealistic premise.

[-] dimeslime@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Edit: complete fabrication be here.

The "do horrible thing to save someone" story, yeah, maybe.

But the pig thing had been going around for years about the then/former prime minister. Some kind of hazing at eton or wherever those posh folks go. The episode was just a reference to that.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think he's trying to steal the lightning from the episodes that resonated well with the audiences to make new episodes and it's just not hitting quite as hard.

The old formula was amazing stories meets Twilight zone meets tales from the crypt we're 8 out of 10 times the protagonist gets right fucked for just trying to be a good person.

It feels to me like the take away from san junipero was that people like happy endings so they're trying to apply it to everything

The reason you got Maisy day is because he got access to Miley Cyrus and had to write something that she would be happy with.

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[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I thought it was a Netflix original 😂

Where did this tv show aired then if not Netflix?

[-] cheezoid2@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Channel 4 in England, I think?

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Charlie Brooker is one of the only intelligent people left.

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[-] egeres@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Maybe the 5th episode of the 6th season was written by an AI and they were playing some 4D chess game all along with our minds, because otherwise, I wonder how such fucking trash got the green light to be produced 🤗

Edit: Typo

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[-] frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It's hard for AI to beat charlie brooker, it can beat a lot of other people though

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It's only producing trash now. Already there is a decent jump in quality from GPT-3 to 4, and it's only gonna get better.

Plus it can do a lot of heavy lifting -- tell it to make 20 scripts with different prompts and then a single writer or team can Whittle them down. That's how a lot of scripts end up in production anyways, but now you ain't gotta deal with writers and can make rapid, drastic changes

[-] monkeytennis@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I also find the "just look how bad the hands are heh heh heh" thing so dumb .. it's going to learn how to draw hands pretty quickly

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[-] quams69@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Lmao black mirror feels like it was written by an AI so quite a statement

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