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A better Revanced (grayjay.app)
submitted 11 months ago by Cassa to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Watched Louis Rossman today, and he's part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it's an app in the Lemmy spirit

(it's got a paid model similar to winrar, you don't have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)

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[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 175 points 11 months ago

basically Newpipe but only source available, not really free software or open source, so they are restricting your freedoms.

Just keep using Newpipe instead.

[-] LemmyNameMyself@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago

It is open source but you can't publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

plus you missed the entire point:

... app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

It's an app that allows you to watch the same creators across many platforms

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 108 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago

That’s not the problem. The question is, stopping actors that put ads and paywalls behind modified source, which technically isn’t malicious, it’s just being a jerk and this licensing makes it much easier to take down. Ofc, if he actually wanted it to be open source, he’d just force all derivatives to be non commercial.

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[-] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 11 months ago

The term "open source" generally refers to the definition by the Open Source Initiative.

https://opensource.org/osd/

Not allowing publishing of modified source code is in violation with the criteria of open source.

[-] 520@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It is open source but you can’t publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

  1. that is not open source. That is source available.

  2. because we all know that license agreements are a line that trojan distributors will not cross. Not malware distribution, not hacking laws, but copyright infringement. They'd never do that at all.

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[-] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 113 points 11 months ago

It's not open source. It's source available.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

It's not open source.....but the source is open.

[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 14 points 11 months ago

Its open source, not free software.

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[-] janguv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 11 months ago

It is an interesting project, not sure where it goes. The title is deeply misleading though. The features of ReVanced make YouTube so much better, whereas this project doesn't seem to be about making YouTube better so much as circumnavigating YouTube for the comment boxes and as your hub to creators. They seem to be doing different things.

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[-] ram@bookwormstory.social 68 points 11 months ago

So, I really want to be optimistic about this project. I love that it integrates multiple sources, that it lets you use different identities that are not attached to any of these services. I installed it and already paid for it even, because I love initiatives like this.

I think it's unsustainable. In 5 years, everyone who'd use the app's already paid for it, which means the devs have no incentive to continue to work, and funding dries up. When that happens, they'll of course just let the app run until the plugins stop working. Nobody will be able to pick it up and continue development in an open forum because it's not FLOSS.

My hope is they re-license it under a copyleft license later, but I'm not optimistic about that happening. With how things are now, it does appear to be doomed to enshittification.

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[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

ReVanced taps into my history with microg. When I watch stuff on desktop with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I want those videos to show as watched on my phone when I open ReVanced so I don't get recommended the same stuff. That works.

GrayJay can't do this. It's not better. It's a good idea, but it's a side grade.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Grayjay can do this - there is a toggle in the settings for the YouTube addin to sync watch data with your Google account.

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[-] protput@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I just want Smarttube Next for mobile.

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[-] wccrawford@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

It sounds interesting, but... Android only? I don't actually watch much video on my phone. It's mostly on my desktop browser.

[-] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago

Not optimal, but using Waydroid on Linux, Android apps feel almost like they run natively (no need to start a emulator manually).

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[-] CausticFlames@sopuli.xyz 34 points 11 months ago

I just bought the FUTO voice input app as well from them and it's genuinely amazing. It has punctuation where it needs to. It cuts out all the UM's. And the best part is, I don't have to pretend that I'm talking to a robot. I can just speak as if I'm talking to a normal person and it gets it right nearly every single time. It is so worth the $5.

This entire comment was typed with it, and I did not edit a single thing.

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[-] MakerThe11@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't classify it as a better revanced, but that doesn't matter, thanks for sharing this awesome tool I really liked it, I first started incorporating Matrix in my life, then a couple days ago Lemmy, and now this, it's great

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[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

It's not enough to make work around for YouTube. We need a new YouTube.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

True, but with the ability to combine all competitors in a single feed a significant hurdle has been removed

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[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago

Is there SponserBlock support?

If it supported both SponserBlock and DeArrow I'd switch in a heartbeat. Until then I'll stick to ReVanced.

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[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

please edit this post to remove the incorrect claim that this is open source, as it is clearly not.

[-] I_like_cats@lemmy.one 15 points 11 months ago

It is not free software but it is open source. Stop gatekeeping the term. I can look at the code and modify it to my hearts content. I can also watch as the project is being developed. That means it's open source. It would be free software if you where also allowed to redistribute it but I can fully see why they do not want that

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

it is open source. Stop gatekeeping the term

i guess you didn't click the link in my comment? here is another, with a list of governments and other entities who all agree about the definition: https://opensource.org/authority/

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[-] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

I have found three comments from you, where you insert yourself as an expert on what Open Source is/not is. Although you do link to some sources, you do so without arguing your point. IMO this is not a constructive way of communication. Since I believe your perspective is purist but overall not too helpful, I will go through the trouble an actually argue the point:

Your problem is following sentence published by the OSI: "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources." Which FUTO does - they won't allow you to put ads on top of their software and distribute it. But I hope that you would agree with me that GNU GPL is an Open Source License. However, they do have a copyleft which practically makes selling software impossible. If you use a library which uses the GPL, you have to make your sources available - which makes selling a compiled version a difficult task...

If we look at Wikipedia, we see following sentence: "Generally, open source refers to a computer program in which the source code is available to the general public for use or modification from its original design.", Grayjay fulfils this. Wikipedia continues: "{...}. Depending on the license terms, others may then download, modify, and publish their version {...}", you are allowed to download and modify Grayjay. They do not allow you to commercially distribute your modifications, which is a license term.

Lets look at a big OSS company. Red Hat writes: "An open source development model is the process used by an open source community project to develop open source software. The software is then released under an open source license, so anyone can view or modify the source code." These criteria are fulfilled by the FUTO TEMPORARY LICENSE (Last updated 7 June 2023). Red Hat does not mention the right to redistribute anywhere I could find it.

To those who actually read up to this point: I hope you find this helpful to form your own opinion based on your own research.

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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

The source is freely available, but it does not fit the common definition of open source. Namely, you're not allowed to redistribute with tracking, malware, or adds. I guess this has been a problem with piped?

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[-] Pixelologist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

I was excited about this but it's mobile only?

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[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago

I really hope they add sponsorblock and dearrow support in the future because this is a truly awesome app.

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[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Sadly it's for the large part the recommendation algorithm that I'm on YouTube for. Most of the videos I watch are from people I'm not subscribed to.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've always wondered if people like you existed! Fascinating.

Not criticizing you, just personally I don't want any recommendation algos in any of my media.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago

Yeah people have mixed opinions about that, but atleast in my case YouTube's recommendations does a really good job at finding content I'm interested in. It just needs some training for it to do a good job. When there's something I'm not interested in, I just flag it as "not interested" and then that stuff dissapears and is replaced with something else.

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[-] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It also has that. You can login with google

You don't even need to subscribe and get recommendations

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