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[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 years ago

I've been thinking about this for a while. All these starlink satellites are ^just going to burn up on reentry. That's like throwing tv's into the bonfire and saying "don't worry, they burn"

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Every day multiple tons of micrometeoroids burn up on entry. So yeah there is a reason why no one really gave a shit when the occasional satellite burns up.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

How many of those micrometeoroids contain petrochemicals?

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you think space junk is a major contributor to that instead of every landfill on the planet I have some water front property in the desert to sell you.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If we think of the 8000 tons on orbit, how much fuel did it take to get that there? How many rockets did it take? How many rockets just got dumped in the ocean? How much hydrazine did those contain? How much support equipment is involved in producing those rockets? How much raw materials? What happens when exhaust gets injected into the upper atmosphere? Is it the same as car exhaust on the surface? What happens when you burn epoxy and carbon fiber up there? What happens in a RUD and thousands of pounds of rocket fuel gets released?

If you think the space industry improves our environment, I wonder if you could spare some room up your ass for my head too. It's easier living in the dark, I'd like to give it a shot.

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Your bonfire gets much hotter than mine.

[-] einfach_orangensaft@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago

i think there are about 8.000t of man made orbital objects up there right now.

The earth has 510.100.000 square km of surface.

That boils down to 15g of material per square km.

Now be assured...if u life in a city, or even near a street with car traffic you are allready living with way way higher levels of polution than orbital objects could cause....unless a Rorsat with a nuklear reactor decides to crash in your backyard.

Orbital littering is a real problem, but its dwarfed by the gigantic amount of trash and polution we allready have on earth...even if all the orbital objects would come down tomorrow...u would not notice the increase of polution.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

15,000 Tons of material rains down on Earth from space each year. Only 5,200 Tons of it makes it down to the ground. The rest burns up.

So, 9,800 of stuff already burning up each year. Now, most of that is silica or carbon, but there are certainly also metals. Now, more metals from man made shit is a concern, but not maybe the most pressing things...

Then again, metal particles in the air are never good. And not something that you see in the atmosphere anywhere but metal foundries. It's actually quite the issue.

Overall, I'd say increasing the atmospheric metal content is a bad thing, but still less of an issue than some of the other things

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Wait until you find out that jet planes use leaded fuel.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Um...no they don't.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-environment

Relevant bits:

Avgas is a specialized fuel used to power piston engine aircraft.

Jet aircraft and turbine-powered, propeller aircraft do not use avgas, but instead use fuels very similar to kerosene, which does not contain a lead additive.

[-] minnow@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

So

Wait until you find out that ~~jet~~ non-turbine planes use leaded fuel.

FTFY?

[-] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

humans are due for a harsh reckoning

we never should have been apex

[-] Binthinkin@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Humans have this amazing ability to surround themselves with landfill trash and ignore it completely.

[-] Restaldt@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Don't worry bro itll all burn up on reentry

As if people forgot the law of conservation of mass

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