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[-] zeroConnection@programming.dev 31 points 2 days ago

Funny how the anti-green energy USA is expediting the adoption of renewables around the world due to their moronic laws, policies and wars.

Can't wait to see them left behind in the past with all that oil they can't get enough of, when nobody will need it anymore in the rest of the world.

[-] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Both heavy and light oil will still be needed for other processes and products that can't be replaced/way more difficult to replace than fuels. But decoupling oil from energy and transportation will have a huge impact on the market and be better for everyone in general.

[-] zeroConnection@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hopefully the quantities will be small enough to make the USA irrelevant for a century, until they catch up again.

[-] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

It won't just make the USA irrelevant in the oil domain: it'll impact the entirety of the OPEC group who'll have to massively scale back production to keep the price high enough to sustain their economies.

The petro-dollar will be replaced with the electro-dollar (that is if the US dollar remains the world currency). So a different group of rare earth rich countries will emerge that'll become more relevant than OPEC in the energy domain but not quite to the same extent as countries that are both gifted with geography to make them major energy exporters and have neighbouring countries/super-grid connections/renewable storage export capabilities will emerge as big players as well.

[-] zeroConnection@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Most countries can produce some oil, and if there's no demand it doesn't matter what price they try to sell it at when no one buys it.

And those who can't produce oil, will find alternatives. Exactly what is happening right now.

If countries become self-sufficient through green energy, which is 100% achievable, there won't be any electro or petro dollars, making the USA irrelevant. Which is my hope.

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[-] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 27 points 2 days ago

We NEED to Cumpete with CHYNA! Which is Why we're doing EVERYTHING to Force OTHER COUNTRIES to do Bizness with CHYNA!

-Republicans!

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago

I don't believe they are just evil, I believe they are actually fucking stupid as well, and short-sighted.

It's the lead.

[-] schwim@piefed.zip 147 points 3 days ago

I absolutely love that the tyrannical bullying by the US is going to result in a globally-visible solar win.

That being said, now I worry that this administration will simply bomb them from existence to keep it from happening.

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago

It's like they're trying to crush a bar of soap that just keeps slipping away.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

"The more you tighten your grip, the more [countries] will slip through your fingers."

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[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 38 points 2 days ago

Okay so let me go over this again as I have an idea...

Nation that's struggling with dependency on petroleum and unreliable supply chain turns to renewable energy. The solar energy is clean, reliable, requires little maintenance, and is helping that country become less reliant on foreign petroleum.

If that works for Cuba, a tiny nation with few resources, perhaps it would work in other more wealthy nations also. Perhaps if a nation were, say, reliant on petroleum to the point that they start multiple multinational wars to ensure their own access to oil, costing literally $trillions, it might be cheaper to put some or all of that money into renewable energy. Presumably China will sell their solar panels to whoever's buying, yes? So why wouldn't a larger, more developed country purchase them in great quantity so spending $trillions on military actions in the Middle East would no longer be necessary?
If a country like this has some of their own domestic oil production, wouldn't it be a desirable future to just walk away from the Middle East entirely, let the oil assholes kill each other without our involvement, and run the country for a few decades on sunshine? Use that money to buy solar panels literally by the boatload / container-ship-load (or buy the tech and manufacture them ourselves), and then national security is improved through removing foreign dependencies?

Or is this just crazy talk?

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago

It's infuriating how successful the oil companies have been at turning solar vs oil into a fucking culture war.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

Now, just take that analysis a little bit further by adding the consideration that those elected to manage the nation aren't actually doing that and wondering why.

I bet it will yield interesting results about whose interests such people really serve.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

Wait, you're saying my Congresscritter who only shows up every few years to demand my vote (because it's ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THIS YEAR that we defeat the other party) isn't actually laser-focused on my needs as a citizen?

That seems unpossible.

:P

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

The only place I've ever heard "congresscritter" was Rush Limbaugh or other right wing commenter. It makes me cringe every time.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 1 points 21 hours ago

I thought it was just a phrase in general circulation. I've actually never once listened to Rush Limbaugh. I find most political content unintelligent and uninteresting and generally prefer to just read facts and draw my own conclusions. My brain seems to work pretty well and I prefer not to have my conclusions drawn for me.

[-] Leather@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Have you even said thank you to the oil companies?!

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[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 15 points 2 days ago

Or said country simply likes killing people around the world and oil is a convenient excuse.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

Not crazy talk, Australia currently leads with the highest per-capita uptake of solar panels and it’s having a noticeable impact on our overall energy costs:

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/household-solar-electricity-generation-australian-national-accounts

We actually produce so much excess solar during peak times that households without panels can opt for electricity plans which offer free electricity between midday and 3pm every day (inc. weekends).

We’re also rolling out a heap of household batteries to better help take advantage of this surplus production and offset peak demand times too.

The world is rapidly approaching a post-fossil fuel world; the transition will be slow at first, and then drastic all of a sudden.

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[-] criscodisco@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Yes but what about the oil companies’ profits? Have you even considered their feelings?

All oil lobbiests, oil barons, and dipshit right-wingers whose primary source of info is focks nooz, blowroganexperience, and other propaganda outlets: it'd take 30 years to get the infrastructure in place for rEnEwAbLeS!

So what you're saying is if we started during the oil crisis of the 70s, we'd be celebrating 25 years off our dependency on petroleum? If we started at the turn of the millennium we'd already be in the home-stretch toward completion?

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[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The US govt has a responsibility to keep the PetroDollar in tact since Nixon killed the gold standard, otherwise the global dependency on USD is no longer maintained and other currencies have a chance to replace it.

This is currently happening, ofc, with ships crossing Hormuz by paying Yuan instead of Dollars.

Now that UAE has shown other countries how to leave OPEC, USD (read: everyday Americans) might be royallyfucked but at least USA might be able to move away from microplastics and pollution.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

The US govt has a responsibility to keep the PetroDollar in tact since Nixon killed the gold standard, otherwise the global dependency on USD is no longer maintained and other currencies have a chance to replace it.

This 100%.

US Govt is propped up on debt. We have no financial discipline today and none is anywhere in sight. If our currency loses value we're mega-fucked.

If petrodollar goes away, our currency loses a lot of credibility. And we are doing everything possible to ensure that everyone involved wants nothing to do with us.

Great strategy :)

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago

At what point will the USA admit their embargo was and is a huge fuck-up and an embarrassment? It's become a symbol of how full of crap we are. Has it been fifty years of this?

p.s. I looked it up because I'm dumb, it's been SIXTY-SIX YEARS. It's even older than me.

All the USA had to do for a fantastic ally by now is stop being an asshole. We could at least return the illegally seized Guantanamo Bay, which is kept just to insult them, really.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

But where will commit torture in legal ambuity if don't have a site off the coast on a land that isn't us jurisdiction but also not the jurisdiction of a country we recognize validty of their human rights laws?

Like it's a really special plot of land if are really trying to specialize in human rights abuse in internationally and domestically legally dubius ways.

All that say, honest wtf is wrong with some of these people

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[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

As predicted, US will squash green efforts, and desperately cling to oil.

The oil we take will then become close to valueless as the rest of the world grows out of their reliance on it

[-] Miller@lemmy.world 98 points 3 days ago

Poor US always on the wrong side recently, and with such good intentions too.

[-] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago

Bwahaha... Good intentions, that's rich

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[-] Zier@fedia.io 67 points 3 days ago

Putin & Trump will be sited as being responsible for the push, by the World, for more solar and electric energies. These oil dinosaurs are forcing people to choose green alternatives just to exist. Which is exactly what they both never wanted. hahahahaha

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[-] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

After seeing the solar roofs in Aleppo, I think all cities should be like that.

Silver linings.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The evil commies win again. Thanks Obama, you're still ruining America years later.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 30 points 3 days ago

So they went full solarpunk?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago

Cuba in Ten Years

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[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

US: making themselves redundant for any future trading endeavors

God job.

Just give china the keys to the car.

Wise move. 5 d chess thinking right there.

Tell us more about transgenic mice and their secret agendas.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

It's often best the short and sharp pain of pulling out a tooth than the lesser but chronical pain (and possible nasty eventual consequences) of a rotting tooth.

[-] ThatGiantCameron@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Seems like China recognized a pattern about nations that invest heavily in the poorer parts of the world.

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