"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius

The way I figure it, if God exists he gave me a reasoning mind and provided absolutely no reasonable evidence of his existence. If he has a problem with me drawing the inevitable conclusion from that then fuck 'im.

If the god sends me to hell for not believing in him after his followers were so cruel, then he is a tyrant and I want nothing to do with him. If he recognizes my goodness and doesn't care whether I had faith in him or not... then it sure sounds like I don't lose.

If god turns out to be real then heaven is likely hell.

Based on what god has shown us so far he is a dictator who enjoys watching his little creatures suffer in too many ways to count. He is most likely an emotionless psychopath. He used his Jesus avatar once publicly to show that he's "one of us", showed off his admin rights by turning water to wine and resurrecting himself, and then logged off again with no consequences.

It's the equivalent of a billionaire going with public transport for a day to show how grounded and normal he is.

If god exists and can truly control what comes after death then we are all fucked and need to find out how to kill him.

Maybe after death we resurrect into a full blown souls against god rebellion that has been going on for a few hundred years

If god is real, he has a lot to answer for.

If basically any major religion's god is real, we all lose. They're all fucking giant assholes.

I'm not worshiping an asshole... unless its attached to someone hot.

Yeah, well...

MY religion says if you don't give me $20,000 you'll spend forever swimming through a pool of glass shards and lemon juice. Better be on the safe side - what if I'm right?

I think the matter is simple.

If there is a God, he should let me in for being a good person. If he is as vain as Christians make him out to be, I wouldn't worship him anyway.

Pascal wager can be so easily thrown back…

« You better pray for forgiveness to the Christian god before dying… just to be sure! »

Ok.. but what if the Hindus were right all along and I just damned myself?! There’s a whole lot more Hindus.. I’m getting better odds by renouncing the Christian god instead

Interestingly, the Christian God doesn't care about your life, only about your soul. And whilst they say belief is the only way to him there's an interesting thing most of these guys intentionally overlook.

If God is infact made of love, as so many claim, only those who are full of love truly believe. Now I ain't saying atheists have more love in them than Christians, but I can say with A LOT of certainty that Christians aint got a lot of love atall

If god were to be real I’d like to think that finite and cringe concepts like “do you love me because I killed myself for you? (Tick the according box)” would be so laughably far removed from the conversation that’s it’s not even up for consideration.

The supposed almighty creator, who resides over everything in existence itself,…. Spends it’s time worrying wether or not you touched yourself and why you didn’t believe in the santa guy from a book mostly used by evil conmen. Don’t make me laugh.

Pascal's Wager. Just as ludicrous as it was last time someone posted it.

"You lose" is such a weird thing to say. It's implying this is an issue to win or lose on. Instead of you know living a virtuous life. Nope. It's sides that win or lose.

Dear reader,

What if, after you die, you discover that string theory is correct, the the universe and reality itself are all merely tendrils of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it thought you were kind of neat, so it decides to turn you into gelato... but only for a moment, as a joke, and then just does a ground hog day on you, as another joke?

You lose.

I feel like the whole concept of souls is just racism. Because for souls to have a concept of existence and value, some sort of identity between life and death must be, implying, basically, eugenics.

"This soul is better than this other soul" etc. An inherent superiority and inferiority, separate from our minds, insulated, even from logic.

Dear Christian,

What if, after you die, you find out you're dead, and you've wasted your precious time all along?

You lose.

p.s. your God is obsessed with foreskins, you lose either way.

If there is a god, what's the chance that you have the "correct" one of all the religions ever invented? If you go to hell for following the "wrong" religion your chance of going to hell is much higher than of hitting the jackpot.

God: >hides<

Also God: how dare you not believe in me with zero proof in the natural world! >tantrum<

Even if a creator exists, I reckon that it has long forgotten that it made this shitty planet.

One of the ten commandments is Thou shalt not hold false witness. In other words, do not claim something to be true that you do not actually know to be true.

Everyone who claims God's existence based on their own faith has thus violated one of the ten commandments.

What if after you die you find out the demiurge is real and you failed to achieve gnosis, so you have to go back to the prison that is this reality?

You lose.

Pascals Wager was already stupid in the 17th century, it hasn't really improved in the 350 years since then. Why do we need to rehash this still.

It's win-win:

• God is real, and loves athiests anyway.

• God is real, and can't blame you. They made it real hard to prove.

• God isn't real, which you don't find out, cuz you're dead.

• ...Or dead-ish?

• God's realness is predicated on belief:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that..."

The main problem with this argumrnt is the hidden assumption that it's their god that's real. Other folklorists came up with so many of those that believing in one doesn't significantly increase your chances after all 🤷

The concept of absolute forgiveness is terrifying to me. Rape, murder, and make people suffer with greed and corruption all you want ... then say "Im sowwy about all that, forgive me" before you die and into Christian heaven you go. Fuck that. I want no part of that "heaven" ... that is where pure evil will reign, it will be hell.

If I were evil and wanted to corrupt a bunch of religious idiots I would tell them that they didn't have to be decent people, that they could just do what they wanted because a zombie god died for their sins. That would lead them to worship the wealthy and not care about their fellow humans, the suffering would be everywhere. Do you think that could work?