The issue with the headline is it implies the Lebanese are the aggressors, when Israel is using missiles to demolish infrastructure and killing indiscriminately so that they can occupy Lebanon and steal territory.
Also mention them as Pro-Iranian. They’re fighting against the destruction and occupation of Lebanon (where they’re from).
Yup, pro-Iran is a mislabel when they're obviously pro-Lebanon and anti-Israel first and foremost.
it implies the Lebanese are the aggressors
no, it doesn't. It implies that Hezbollah are aggressors, which they are, just as much as Israel.
The Lebanese are the victims of both.
Sorry, but clearly the people defending their country are the defenders. I’m not a fan of propaganda or doublespeak.
Sorry, but clearly the people defending their country are the defenders.
Yes, the Lebanese army.
The IDF and Hezbollah are the aggressors.
The IOF have always been the aggressors. Hezbollah only exists because of the IOF invasions, ethnic cleansings, and settler colonialism of Lebanon.
So the fact that an occupying terrorist group was spawned by an occupying terrorist group excuses their occupation and terrorism?
They could have been fighting Israeli aggression, terrorism, and occupation without becoming occupiers and terrorists themselves. But they didn't.
Dude, we get it. You have no clue what you're talking about. There's some guides on hasbara I'm sure you can find, you could use the help.
Again, Hezbollah only exists because of massacres like Sabra and Shatila, along with the other massacres utilizing the Dahiya doctrine during the 6 Israeli invasions
After the 2008 war, the Goldstone Report addressed IDF strategy in 2009, determining that the “Disproportionate destruction and violence against civilians were part of a deliberate policy.”
1982
The 1982 Lebanon war began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded again for the purpose of attacking the Palestine Liberation Organization. The Israeli army laid siege to Beirut. During the conflict, according to Lebanese sources, between 15,000 and 20,000 people were killed, mostly civilians.
On 16 February 1985, Shia Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin declared a manifesto in Lebanon, announcing a resistance movement called Hezbollah, whose goals included combating the Israeli occupation. During the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) the Hezbollah militia waged a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces occupying Southern Lebanon and their South Lebanon Army proxies.
Israeli Withdrawal
Throughout the painstaking process of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, Hizballah was at pains to declare its commitment to recovering the last millimeter of Lebanese territory, but it also acknowledged that it would not act hastily to reinitiate violence. In sum, Hizballah's behavior and deference to state authority have worked to its political advantage. It reaped recognition in an unprecedented meeting between Nasrallah and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who praised Hizballah's restraint and its promise of cooperation. The meeting with Annan offers a remarkable contrast with Hizballah's earlier days, when it was hostile to the UN and especially to the UN force in the south.
Without an agreement between Syria and Israel, there will be little pressure on Hizballah to disarm. Syria's calculated strategy is to allow Hizballah to serve as a constant reminder of the consequences of continuing to occupy the Golan Heights.This is a role that Hizballah is happy to play, given its enmity toward Israel. At the same time, it remains profoundly aware of the political costs of bringing destruction down on the heads of its supporters, and this further reduces the prospect that Hizballah will initiate attacks on Israel
2006
The doctrine is named after the Dahiya suburb of Beirut, where the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah has its headquarters, which the Israeli military leveled during its assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006 that killed nearly 1,000 civilians, about a third of them children, and caused enormous damage to the country’s civilian infrastructure, including power plants, sewage treatment plants, bridges, and port facilities.
It was formulated by then-General Gadi Eisenkot when he was Chief of Northern Command. As he explained in 2008 referring to a future war on Lebanon: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases… This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.” Eisenkot went on to become chief of the general staff of the Israeli military before retiring in 2019.
While it became official Israeli military doctrine after Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, Israel’s military has used disproportionate force and targeted Palestinian, Lebanese, and other civilians since Israel was established in 1948 based on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians, including dozens of massacres to force them to flee for their lives.
2007 - 2022
Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.
While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.
So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.
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spoiler 2023-2025
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/hezbollah-and-israel-a-timeline-of-conflict
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/15/mapping-israel-lebanon-cross-border-attacks :::
Most countries in the world do not design Hizbollah as a terrorist group, only israel's western countries puppet does.
Quick question dumbass.
Where is the fighting taking place
Lol when did the lebanese ever defended a single lebanese? If the lebanese army was strong and was nit blocked from attacking Israel by France and the usa demands, hizbollah would have not existed.
Without hizbollah south lebanon if not all lebanon would have been colonized . I don't know how you shamelessly say Israel and Hizbollah are equally evil.
I said both are aggressors, not both are equally evil.
The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.
The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.
that's complete bullshit.
If you take the timeline starting in 2026, then either Israel and the US are the aggressors and the scope is bigger than just Israel and Hezbollah, or you insist on limiting it to only Israel and Hezbollah but Hezbollah are the aggressors.
If you start from 2023, then again, if you only look at Israel and Hezbollah, then Hezbollah are the aggressors.
If you expand the timeline beyond that you really cannot limit the scope to just those two belligerents, because all the regional conflicts are way too interwoven.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
Even in 2023 Israel was the aggressor. In response to Israel geocoding Palestinians Hezbollah launched rockets on occupied land, Israel went and targeted civilians infrastructures and Lebanese civilians . Israel is the colonial genocidal power , Hezbollah is the resistance group no amount of bullshit from your side is going to change that.
1982 Israel occupied Lebanon, Israel is the aggressor, 2006 Israel had Lebanese is jail, Israel is the aggressor, post 2026 Israel continued bombing Lebanese in breach of the resolution 1701 , Israel was the aggressor, 2026 Israel continued bombing Lebanon despite a cease fire, again Israel the aggressor.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
Again the context in this post is Hezbollah vs Israel . Israel is the colonial genocidal power , Hezbollah is the resistance group.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
You are trying to frame the debate as both are aggressors to reject Hezbollah right to resistance which would allow Israel to occupy under pretext of security, then start putting settlers and finally after few years declare sovereignty on those land. My stand is more nuanced with facts. I did acknowledge that Hezbollah did atrocities but in the context of the war still in the context of the post Israel is the only aggressor.
If you start from 2023
Wut? Israel has been attacking Lebanon for decades because of their "greater" Israel jerk-off fantasies.
literally the next fucking paragraph in my comment.
Take this idf astroturfing back to Reddit.
Israel is the greatest evil on this planet and it isn’t close. No bridge is too far in eliminating them.
Yeah, it's not enough to call Israel genocidal fascists, have to agree with the hive mind or its IDF astroturfing.
It's funny, I came here in part because the zionist hive mind of Reddit was disgusting.
And all I'm finding here is a tankie hive mind.
Extremists on both sides, nuance not allowed.
I'm just entering this whole thread just now.
Like, sure, I'll agree that Hezbollah have definitely not been a net benefit to Lebanese and they've used the resistance rhetoric to kill and assassinate Lebanese (civilian and politician alike).
But I can't say that they've ever been the aggressor against Israel. Even if you look at the 2006 war that 'started' with Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers patrolling the border, they did it with the purpose of negotiating the release of hostages that Israel held and tortured for many years after their withdrawal from their occupation of South Lebanon.
And to also try and compare glorified bottle rockets to the ultimately destructive bunker busters lined with uranium that Israel launches at civilian infrastructure in a non symmetrically proportionate response - it's not a 1:1 comparison and that needs to be highlighted and underscored.
It implies that Hezbollah are aggressors,
This is only coherent with the "history started on Oct 7" mentality. Hezbollah are terrorists, so is the IDF. Trying to decide who's in the moral right is madness, but who started it isn't complicated or ambiguous.
Trying to decide who's in the moral right is madness, but who started it isn't complicated or ambiguous.
Asking who started it is the wrong question to ask. And the answer changes constantly depending on when you ask it.
Both should equally fuck off.
We could be starting the development of interstellar travel to Alpha Centauri .... but instead we're developing murder bots to get land for rich people and do it all in the name of sky gods written about in books by semi literate superstitious ancestors that lived in the desert 3000 years ago.
Can't make this shit up
Drone warfare is becoming racialized just like terrorism in the media and for the same reason; it's accessible to oppressed people.
Notice how noble it is when a Ukrainian defends his home with murder bots. Let an Arab do the same thing and it's diabolical somehow.
It’s interesting that Hezbollah and the IDF have swapped roles with Hez now the beleaguered defender against the rabid IDF similar to the way Iran seems to have the moral upper hand against the US aggressor. They both were on the nose about how rabid they were until a more rabid duo of Netanyahu and Trump kicked the door open and took centre stage.
Anything that helps kill more IDF oppressors is a good thing.
It is amazing and heroic how the people of Hezbollah are defending themselves from these evil empires that are armed to the teeth with less resources and technology, their ingenuity and sacrifice is admirable.
If you do what you love, you never work a day in your life
Don't love your job, job your love.
Used to race fpv drones, flying a drone (especially ones weighed down) with the precision to hit a moving person takes skill and is not easy, definitely not something you are doing without training or practice.
Now the ones that fly above with all the built in stabilization that drop the tiny ordnance, that's easy.
But good for them defending themselves with the means they have against this injustice.
Seeing drone footage from Ukraine war: "Ugh, I don't want to see this snuff shit. What a senseless tragedy"
Seeing Hezbollah drone footage: "Yes... Yes! DIE! DIE MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
You can enjoy both
Nah, the former is just ghoulish. The latter represents both hope and divine retribution
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