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Demand to reverse Brexit hits ‘highest ever level’ (leftfootforward.org)

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The ratio for those is favour of reversing Brexit is very close to two to one now.

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[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 90 points 2 years ago

Support for rejoin can be as high as it wants to be. The bottom line is that Sir Keir has ruled it out. It's not happening. He doesn't want to lose Labour Red Wall votes.

I think people have to be realistic about these things. If they want to rejoin, vote for a party that will take us back in or at least are receptive of the idea of applying. That's not Labour yet people want to vote for them. Pick your priorities.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 58 points 2 years ago

All well and good but with a FPTP system you cannot vote for what you want and expect to get it. If we had PR then that would be a different story.

[-] jellybreadracer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Why Labour will never support pr.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago

As far as I am concerned, the next GE will be the last time I vote Labour unless they announce PR as part of their manifesto. I can understand Starmer dodging on this next innings, but failing adding it to the next GE after would just mean we are on a circle jerk. I still remember Blair said he would move to PR when he was in office.

[-] jellybreadracer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

“Sir”

I am pro rejoin, but calling Keir sir in this statement is a bit too much unless you are being ironic. So you say dame priti also?

Also funnily enough my phone suggested that Keith as autocorrect for keir :)

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[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago

Sorry I’m American, but wouldn’t reverse Brexit just be Brentry??

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago

Bre-entry, because they've already entered once.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago

Breverse course and Bre-enter.

[-] Elkenders@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

Bre-brentry? David Brentry?

[-] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago

Breturn

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 5 points 2 years ago

Breenter

[-] xor 20 points 2 years ago

Breturn?

[-] arbux@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago

Bruturn

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nope, it would be BRilliant.

[-] mnoram@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

No no, the reverse of Brexit is Tixerb.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago

Can they actually reverse it? Will the EU take them back?

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 84 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not reverse it but reapply for membership, that will of course be subject to veto!

It will come with a lot of prerequisites that will make the deal the UK previously had look like they had won a golden ticket

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[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

Countries only have to have "plans" to eventually adopt the Euro. There's no timeline on it, so they could say they intend to adopt it in 100 years and that would technically satisfy the requirements.

Sweden has "been in the process" of adopting the Euro for nearly 30 years now.

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 10 points 2 years ago

we added a euro sign to our localized computer keyboards, that has to count for something..?

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[-] Transcendant@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I know we were a bit of a pain in the arse at times (though I'd say, no more than some other countries which doesn't seem to generate the same press or vitriol), but the EU would, in an ideal world, like us back. The chances of that happening are slim enough, swapping the £ for the euro would absolutely torpedo it.

That would probably be a good metric of how serious the will is for us to return, if the demands include losing our currency that to me would demonstrate that the talks are poisoned to fail.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

if the demands include losing our currency that to me would demonstrate that the talks are poisoned to fail.

You mean, if the UK is treated fairly (like other countries) that means you don't like it?

I can see why the EU was ok with the UK leaving. They're a pain to deal with. I think they should wait ten years until prices go up for all goods from the EU, US, China, etc. because the UK has no muscle to negotiate trade agreements.

Then the UK will beg to be let in.

[-] Transcendant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

No, if I meant to say that, I'd have said it. Stop inventing things I said.

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[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We want you guys back.

Although you're a bit in shambles right now, you're still a weight in economy and military that adds to the EU. All the more once you're in better times. The more similiarly aligned countries, the better so we can actually stand next to the titans of the USA and China that we couldn't stand up to alone.

But yeah, I don't think you get your extra benefits back.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

I like the setting an example take.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 31 points 2 years ago

The EU will take the UK back. It has been said by a few. The UK will still have to go through a process. It will not be quick. I would not be surprised if the EU makes the first demand for us to have a new referendum. Just so they know we are not wasting their time.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

Not just wasting their time - Brexit cost the EU time and effort and money as well. They're not going to bother if the UK isn't sincere.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah I can’t imagine them treating the UK with any special consideration in their favor this time

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Another non-binding referendum, but this time they actually don't take action based on the vote.

[-] calavera@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

Don't expect Britain to return to EU in the next 50 years or so.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Make it more like 10 to 20 years

[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

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[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Brea Culpa! This time, Britain gets to take up the Euro!

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago

Not something that would bother me.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

That’s what I’ve been saying and always get people yelling at me. Ask two questions “do you want to rejoin the EU?” and “are you willing to adopt the Euro and Schengen zone?” will yield two drastically different results.

[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

As an American, I'd happily adopt the Euro and join the Schengen zone.

Apparently, that's not an option for us, though ;)

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

I'm guessing a significant[1] proportion would change their mind, when they see the kind of punitive conditions[2] the EU would probably impose on rejoining.

[1] enough to change the result of the second referendum, so >10%.

[2] worse than the previous ones.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 22 points 2 years ago

The reason we had such a deal was because we had restrictions for not being a member of the Schengen or the Euro zone. If we rejoined the EU then joining Schengen and the Euro would be a prerequisite. This is the same for all new members of the EU. There would be no punitive conditions as the EU is based on everyone being equal.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

B-b-b-ut if I don't get special treatment, I'm being punished!

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[-] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

It's ok, I'm sure Austria and The Netherlands will have UK's back and just veto their Schengen joining ad infinitum for no apparent reason. As for the Euro, the UK can just pull a Sweden or purposefully maintain a highly variable exchange rate so as not to fulfill the requirements for joining the Eurozone.

Alternatively, pull a Denmark and peg it to the Euro and do some voodoo with interest rates when it's in danger of changing parity outside the agreed upon limits. (Not sure if this is what pre-Brexit UK did?)

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[-] theinspectorst@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think you:

a) misunderstand the EU's incentives here - if a genuine supermajority in the UK came back asking to be let in, EU leaders have an incentive to make that happen easily as a signal of the total failure of Brexit and hard-line euroscepticism - the optics of the UK returning would be so good for the EU; and

b) overestimate the 'punitive' measures the EU could take - worst we would get is the sort of arrangement other EU states have such as hypothetical future euro membership that neither the UK nor rest of EU would have any more desire to implement than is the case for (e.g.) Poland or Hungary; they wouldn't even need us to join Schengen because that actually would create the Irish hard border that the EU negotiations were all about avoiding (since Ireland isn't a Schengen state).

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