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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

to be fair, yes. they are and we do.

[-] GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

Domenico Losurdo wrote a book about that, “Western Marxism: How it was Born, How it Died, How it can be Reborn”: https://mronline.org/2025/01/11/domenico-losurdo-western-marxism-how-it-was-born-how-it-died-how-it-can-be-reborn/

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

You can also find an audiobook of this on torrents and youtube.

[-] EggInDisguise 7 points 3 weeks ago

Wow I sure am seeing a lot of thinly veiled "but what about" and "that's just propaganda you're being lied to by your government and people online and no I will not provide you with anything other than mockery because lmao amiriteguyz" in these comments

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago

Citations Needed podcast:
Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

But what if "whataboutism" isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term "whataboutism" has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

[-] EggInDisguise 2 points 3 weeks ago

Cool, I don't remember specifying any country, so I'm not sure why we're talking as if I'm trying to defend us policy.

[-] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What point are you trying to make? A country that commits some of the most heinous atrocities in recent history and has serious flaws in their society like racism and inequality does NOT get to dictate and police others on these matters, especially in matters of morality. It's completely ironic and hypocritical and not to mention reeks of chauvinism.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

Apparently she’s just here to vaguepost.

[-] EggInDisguise 4 points 3 weeks ago

And what country are we talking about, exactly? Are you sure you know?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

They're fucking obviously talking about the USA. And you know that, you're just being obtuse on purpose.

[-] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

You just seem ambiently angry

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

Not entirely sure, because you seem to be incapable of just saying what you actually fucking mean

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

Vague posting

[-] hamid@crazypeople.online 9 points 3 weeks ago

Sometimes I wish my instance had downvotes so I could give them to posts like this

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

What is the origin of that word and it's particular usage in this context btw?

[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

"Tankie" is a word that originates from British communist circles in the 50s. It was used by communists who opposed the Soviet invasion of Hungary to derisively describe their comrades who supported the invasion. Photos in the British newspapers and such showed a lot of imagery Soviet tanks rolling through Budapest, hence "tankie".

So, it has its origins as a silly sounding, incredibly niche, bit of British slang. It faded into obscurity after this, but got picked up again by leftists on the internet as a way of poking fun at each other. It's a funny sounding word and all. At a certain point over the last decade or so, it's breached containment, and liberals, especially here on Lemmy, love to throw it around without really having a firm idea what they mean by it. I've seen everyone from Marxist-Leninists, to Anarchists, to liberal Pro-palestian activists, all called "Tankies".

OP is using the term here to poke fun at that vague liberal usage. As many liberals, at least here on Lemmy, would look at the calculus of, "US foreign policy is more erratic and dangerous than that of China" and declare it a "tankie" talking point, or "simping for authoritarianism", as though making an observation about different nation's foreign policy approaches says anything else about ones opinions of those states other policies or actions.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, so if I'm understanding correctly, it was a term coined by communist pacifists as a dig against more militant communists. However, now it has now evolved so that center leaning liberals are just chucking it towards both right and left so long as either is slightly militant?

Hope I have that right. Thank you very much for the explanation!

[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

The people who initially coined it weren't necessarily pacifists, they just disagreed with how the Soviets conducted themselves in Eastern Europe. But otherwise yeah, you've got it.

Tankie mostly gets used by centrist liberal types to punch left, but I've seen Tucker Carlson's weird Russia sycophancy get called Tankie once or twice also ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] Saapas@piefed.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think the recently published map really supports this, it seems to be more between Russia and USA than China and USA

[-] merdaverse@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago

Someone in the comments on [the other site] called me a tankie for arguing that the USA has done way worse things than China in recent history, which prompted the meme. Apparently China shooting missiles into Taiwan waters is just as bad as the US bombing schoolgirls or something.

[-] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Alright. I was thinking this was based on the questionnaire where they asked who was bigger threat or some such thing.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago

It's not even between Russia and USA, the only people who see Russia as a bigger threat are Europeans. Even Americans now realize they're the baddies.

[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Shoutout to Spain for not falling for it.

[-] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

I mean living next to a country might, pretty understandably, alter what you consider more dangerous

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Who gives a shit what people call you, just follow your code and keep to your morals.

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