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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world

As one meta-analysis put it:

It’s estimated that an increase of one hour per day of outdoor time could reduce the occurrence of myopia in children by 45%.

Make sure your kids spend time outside, folks!

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[-] nope@jlai.lu 108 points 1 month ago

I was outside a lot and still got myopia :3

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

Congrats on the luck

[-] cenotaph@piefed.zip 25 points 1 month ago

Then you were likely genetically predetermined to be at least a little myopic, but if you spent less time outside during your developmental phases you would likely be even more nearsighted than you are now.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Hold up now. I grew up in the 80s when we spent the whole day outside, and I wore thick ass lenses all through grade school.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

"Reduces chances" does not mean "prevents"

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

irrelevant because the term used here was "odds", not chances

smfh

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[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

We spent so much time outside we developed near sightedness instead

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You should have “spend” the day outdoors not “spent”.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

No. Spent is the past tense of spend.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
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[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago

How do some people despite being wrong are happy to correct others? And they have up votes? Wtf...

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

My comment only makes sense with the original misspelled title of the post.

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 2 points 1 month ago

I see, my apologies then

[-] krisevol@lemmus.org 28 points 1 month ago

If you get this type of short sight vision, you can train your eyes to get the vision back as this is caused by the eyes strength.

But if you have the type that has to do with your eye shape going outside will do nothing, and you can exercise it away

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You need to read better. It says it reduces occurrence of myopia in a population not that it cures myopia when an individual gets it.

Sure if you have very mild short term myopia caused by eye straining you can get vision back by training your eye. But with kids it’s about how the eye develops when it’s still growing. When kids eyes grow too fast they grow less spherical and that is what causes myopia and that is the kind that you can never cure. Going outside means kids are getting more sunlight in their eye which will slow down the growth and thus their eyes will grow more spherical which means they don’t develop myopia. Playing outside won’t cure myopia but it will reduce the chance of developing it in children.

[-] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, I spent 6 months in ICU in 2014, I had a lot of eye issues while I was there not related to my reason for my stay (bilateral lung transplant) but as side effects of procedures and meds but I also basically lost my depth perception unless it was directly in front of me. Living in a 10x10 room for half a year with no far away distances to observe made my eyes weak, it took about six months after I got home to get my full depth prescription back. Indoors just makes your eyes weak, mine is an extreme example, but it doesn’t permanently ruin them.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago
[-] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

Near-sightedness

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I spent 90% of my early childhood outdoors. Didn't work.

[-] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Is this really causation though? Could it not just be that kids that spend less time looking at screens are less likely to be short-sighted AND more likely to spend time outside?

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

If this is just a correlation this would have to be a correlation at the population level. Countries where kids start school later on (e.g. 7 years old) have significantly lower rates of myopia than countries that start school early on in a child's development (e.g. 3 years old). It's still possible that this is a correlation, but the correlation would have to be capturing something deeper than just an individual kids screen time. Granted, this correlation would still need to account for differences between individual kids, but it would also need to account for differences between kids at a population level. It's hard to see what could be causing this correlation though. So maybe there's something there we're just not seeing, but at a certain point though the idea that there is a causal relationship starts to seem like the most plausible explanation for explaining this data

[-] Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

It wasn't mentioned in this article, but I remember reading somewhere that it might be because exposure to sunlight affects vitamin D production, which affects the length/shape of our eyeballs as we're growing up.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Another idea is that when you're outside, you spend more time focusing on objects further away, which helps develop those eye muscles

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A third idea is that sunlight is much, much brighter than most indoor artificial light, and the lack of this very bright light causes some sort of problem for the developing eye. Maybe the brightness of the sun is a sort of "calibration" method for the eye and when it doesn't get that really bright sunlight, the development of the eye goes out of whack.

So is it vitamin D, or far-away views or bright sunlight? I've heard all these theories before but I'm not sure which is it. Does the meta analysis say anything about which effect is most likely the cause? I mean could we "fix" this by going outside to view things far away, or should we just take vitamin D supplements, or should we have much brighter indoor lighting? I'd love to know.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

A third idea is that sunlight is much, much brighter than most indoor artificial light

Would this mean it’s a bad idea to give kids sunglasses?

Does the meta analysis say anything about which effect is most likely the cause?

Not that I saw though I admit I didn’t read the whole thing

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago

Would this mean it’s a bad idea to give kids sunglasses?

Well if that is actually the causing effect, yes. I checked the paper and they do actually mention light brightness as a potential cause, as well as the other things but they have nothing on what actually causes the problem for real.

But I mean, clearly we aren't naturally meant to need sunglasses so in a way I'd say yea, don't give your kids sunglasses.

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[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

if you want sad but unfortunate proof, read about the case of genie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_%28feral_child%29?wprov=sfla1

the relevant bit here is that when she was taken out of the room she was kept in till age 13, her eyes were literally unable to focus on anything more than 10 feet away (as that was the size of the room she was kept in). imo that shows that being outside where objects tend to be farther away at a young age helps train your eyes to do so in the future.

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[-] quips@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One hour of outdoor time per day is not a modest increase

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 12 points 1 month ago

I'm farsighted, so I can only conclude that I spent too much time outdoors as a kid. See Mom!?

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I was outside a ton when I was younger and I still have myopia. These things happen.

[-] DreasNil@feddit.nu 4 points 1 month ago

You might have had a higher degree of myopia if you hadn't spent all that time outdoors.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

well, i can concur. my eyes have trouble adjusting to looking into the distance when i have spent hours in front of the screen. they adapt after a few minutes to hours though.

[-] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure short-sightedness is more a result of patience and critical thinking, but outdoors might help near-sightedness.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

but my electronic image generator makes bam bam noise, must spend more money for more RAM

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

LMFAO

My mom blamed us (me and my older brother) for "sitting too close to the TV"

She kept us mostly locked indoors in an apartment (besides going to school) from the beginning of my memory up till 8 years old.

Then we moved to the US and from 8 to 12 I was in school from morning (like 7 AM maybe? forgot the exact time) till like 6PM cuz she signed me up afterschool programs cuz she wanted to use it as free babysitting essentially so she can work longer...

And we cant go outside alone without adults.

In China it was "a lot of kidnappers on the street thay will traffic you and sell your organs"

In the US it was "if you go outside without an adult, CPS will take you away and you can't see mama again" (idk why mom spoke in 3rd person sometimes lol)

Yay! so... from birth to 12 I was indoors, either in school or at home, most of the time...

outdoor time was rare and only when parents have a day off or like the 15 minutes of recess in school...

that's basically our outside time...

In China we had maternal grandma that sometimes took us outside...

In the US, it was just mom, dad, older brother, and me (cuz grandma can't come yet, no visa yet)... So we had even less outside time... like parenrs had to work all the time...

But of course its always "too much screens!" to be blamed lmao

From 8 to 12 was when my nearsightedness really developed a lot.

I didn't understand why I had nearsigntedness at the time, but now looking back and analyzing my life, now it's so obvious why lol..

My older brother has like -9.00 or -10.00 in the nearsightedness thing. Its funny my parents called it like 900 or 1000 "degrees".... like it sounds so much scarier when they drop the decimal point and literally say: "you're about to have ONE THOUSAND DEGREES IN NEARSIGHTEDNESS! You're gonna GO BLIND!"

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[-] MrWrinkles@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago

"Also, while various theories such as increased light exposure, release of dopamine from retina, increased depth of field have been suggested to explain the protective effect of outdoor time, the mechanism remains to be elucidated"

Correlation is not causation.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can establish causation even if you don't know what the mechanism is. I don't know to what extent causation has been established here though, I'm not familiar enough with the research. But at minimum the intuitive idea that there is a noncausative correlation because kids with bad eyesight choose to stay inside more does not seem to stand, since this phenomenon can exist at a population level (so countries where schools start younger - and kids go outside less - have significantly higher rates of myopia).

[-] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don’t know to what extent causation has been established here though

I am familiar with the research. We don't know the reason for nearsightedness. There is no known proven causation. It is likely there are different causes for it.

Being from a sunny country lowers the chance of it (so you're less likely to be nearsighted if you're from Spain compared to Norway), even when controlled for hours spent outdoors.

[-] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

There are studies that just look at outdoor time. I don’t think we know the specific mechanism but we know enough to have recommendations.

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[-] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That depends entirely on how the correlation is determined. For example randomized control trials can establish causal inference.

[-] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 month ago

YSK: The word is 'spent' not 'spend'.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah that was a typo. Edited the title to fix it, should be correct now

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I admit that I barely skimmed the article so I don't know if/how they controlled for this

But this also kind of feels to me like something that could go the other way- myopic kids are less likely to go outside

Get hit in the head by a baseball you didn't see coming or trip over a rock you didn't see a handful of times and you might decide that the "outdoors" thing isn't really for you.

Or of course a mix of both factors, kids who are already predisposed to short-sightedness go outside less, so the other factors at play make their eyes even worse and so they go outside even less and....

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But this also kind of feels to me like something that could go the other way- myopic kids are less likely to go outside

It's not just individual kids they are measuring, but entire populations of children and at what age they start school. The younger kids are when they start school, the more likely they are to be myopic, and this contributes to significant differences in the prevalence in myopia across countries (Edit: I should have stated this explicitly, but this is because more time in school means less time outside, generally speaking)

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