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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world

As one meta-analysis put it:

It’s estimated that an increase of one hour per day of outdoor time could reduce the occurrence of myopia in children by 45%.

Make sure your kids spend time outside, folks!

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[-] nope@jlai.lu 107 points 1 week ago

I was outside a lot and still got myopia :3

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Congrats on the luck

[-] cenotaph@piefed.zip 24 points 1 week ago

Then you were likely genetically predetermined to be at least a little myopic, but if you spent less time outside during your developmental phases you would likely be even more nearsighted than you are now.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Hold up now. I grew up in the 80s when we spent the whole day outside, and I wore thick ass lenses all through grade school.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

"Reduces chances" does not mean "prevents"

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

irrelevant because the term used here was "odds", not chances

smfh

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You should have “spend” the day outdoors not “spent”.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

No. Spent is the past tense of spend.

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 3 points 1 week ago

How do some people despite being wrong are happy to correct others? And they have up votes? Wtf...

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

My comment only makes sense with the original misspelled title of the post.

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
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[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We spent so much time outside we developed near sightedness instead

[-] krisevol@lemmus.org 28 points 1 week ago

If you get this type of short sight vision, you can train your eyes to get the vision back as this is caused by the eyes strength.

But if you have the type that has to do with your eye shape going outside will do nothing, and you can exercise it away

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You need to read better. It says it reduces occurrence of myopia in a population not that it cures myopia when an individual gets it.

Sure if you have very mild short term myopia caused by eye straining you can get vision back by training your eye. But with kids it’s about how the eye develops when it’s still growing. When kids eyes grow too fast they grow less spherical and that is what causes myopia and that is the kind that you can never cure. Going outside means kids are getting more sunlight in their eye which will slow down the growth and thus their eyes will grow more spherical which means they don’t develop myopia. Playing outside won’t cure myopia but it will reduce the chance of developing it in children.

[-] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, I spent 6 months in ICU in 2014, I had a lot of eye issues while I was there not related to my reason for my stay (bilateral lung transplant) but as side effects of procedures and meds but I also basically lost my depth perception unless it was directly in front of me. Living in a 10x10 room for half a year with no far away distances to observe made my eyes weak, it took about six months after I got home to get my full depth prescription back. Indoors just makes your eyes weak, mine is an extreme example, but it doesn’t permanently ruin them.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago
[-] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

Near-sightedness

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I spent 90% of my early childhood outdoors. Didn't work.

[-] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Is this really causation though? Could it not just be that kids that spend less time looking at screens are less likely to be short-sighted AND more likely to spend time outside?

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

If this is just a correlation this would have to be a correlation at the population level. Countries where kids start school later on (e.g. 7 years old) have significantly lower rates of myopia than countries that start school early on in a child's development (e.g. 3 years old). It's still possible that this is a correlation, but the correlation would have to be capturing something deeper than just an individual kids screen time. Granted, this correlation would still need to account for differences between individual kids, but it would also need to account for differences between kids at a population level. It's hard to see what could be causing this correlation though. So maybe there's something there we're just not seeing, but at a certain point though the idea that there is a causal relationship starts to seem like the most plausible explanation for explaining this data

[-] Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

It wasn't mentioned in this article, but I remember reading somewhere that it might be because exposure to sunlight affects vitamin D production, which affects the length/shape of our eyeballs as we're growing up.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Another idea is that when you're outside, you spend more time focusing on objects further away, which helps develop those eye muscles

[-] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've seen that too, with some emphasis put on viewing the horizon... though where I grew up it's very unlikely to see anything close to horizon-distance without being at a beach (mostly because trees... better than indoors sure but not much non-treetop distance to look at unless you're looking across a field/farmland, or maybe a radio/water tower or something).

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

though where I grew up it’s very unlikely to see anything close to horizon-distance without being at a beach

It would be interesting to see if people who live im these sorts of areas have higher rates of myopia. I’m not aware of any data that’s been collected on this though

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A third idea is that sunlight is much, much brighter than most indoor artificial light, and the lack of this very bright light causes some sort of problem for the developing eye. Maybe the brightness of the sun is a sort of "calibration" method for the eye and when it doesn't get that really bright sunlight, the development of the eye goes out of whack.

So is it vitamin D, or far-away views or bright sunlight? I've heard all these theories before but I'm not sure which is it. Does the meta analysis say anything about which effect is most likely the cause? I mean could we "fix" this by going outside to view things far away, or should we just take vitamin D supplements, or should we have much brighter indoor lighting? I'd love to know.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

A third idea is that sunlight is much, much brighter than most indoor artificial light

Would this mean it’s a bad idea to give kids sunglasses?

Does the meta analysis say anything about which effect is most likely the cause?

Not that I saw though I admit I didn’t read the whole thing

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[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

if you want sad but unfortunate proof, read about the case of genie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_%28feral_child%29?wprov=sfla1

the relevant bit here is that when she was taken out of the room she was kept in till age 13, her eyes were literally unable to focus on anything more than 10 feet away (as that was the size of the room she was kept in). imo that shows that being outside where objects tend to be farther away at a young age helps train your eyes to do so in the future.

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[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 12 points 1 week ago

I'm farsighted, so I can only conclude that I spent too much time outdoors as a kid. See Mom!?

[-] quips@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One hour of outdoor time per day is not a modest increase

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

I was outside a ton when I was younger and I still have myopia. These things happen.

[-] DreasNil@feddit.nu 4 points 1 week ago

You might have had a higher degree of myopia if you hadn't spent all that time outdoors.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

True, but I am like -2 or -3 in both eyes, so my myopia isn't great either lol

[-] DreasNil@feddit.nu 2 points 5 days ago

Not great, but it's also not -12 😀

[-] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure short-sightedness is more a result of patience and critical thinking, but outdoors might help near-sightedness.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

well, i can concur. my eyes have trouble adjusting to looking into the distance when i have spent hours in front of the screen. they adapt after a few minutes to hours though.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

but my electronic image generator makes bam bam noise, must spend more money for more RAM

[-] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 week ago

YSK: The word is 'spent' not 'spend'.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah that was a typo. Edited the title to fix it, should be correct now

[-] MrWrinkles@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago

"Also, while various theories such as increased light exposure, release of dopamine from retina, increased depth of field have been suggested to explain the protective effect of outdoor time, the mechanism remains to be elucidated"

Correlation is not causation.

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You can establish causation even if you don't know what the mechanism is. I don't know to what extent causation has been established here though, I'm not familiar enough with the research. But at minimum the intuitive idea that there is a noncausative correlation because kids with bad eyesight choose to stay inside more does not seem to stand, since this phenomenon can exist at a population level (so countries where schools start younger - and kids go outside less - have significantly higher rates of myopia).

[-] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don’t know to what extent causation has been established here though

I am familiar with the research. We don't know the reason for nearsightedness. There is no known proven causation. It is likely there are different causes for it.

Being from a sunny country lowers the chance of it (so you're less likely to be nearsighted if you're from Spain compared to Norway), even when controlled for hours spent outdoors.

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

LMFAO

My mom blamed us (me and my older brother) for "sitting too close to the TV"

She kept us mostly locked indoors in an apartment (besides going to school) from the beginning of my memory up till 8 years old.

Then we moved to the US and from 8 to 12 I was in school from morning (like 7 AM maybe? forgot the exact time) till like 6PM cuz she signed me up afterschool programs cuz she wanted to use it as free babysitting essentially so she can work longer...

And we cant go outside alone without adults.

In China it was "a lot of kidnappers on the street thay will traffic you and sell your organs"

In the US it was "if you go outside without an adult, CPS will take you away and you can't see mama again" (idk why mom spoke in 3rd person sometimes lol)

Yay! so... from birth to 12 I was indoors, either in school or at home, most of the time...

outdoor time was rare and only when parents have a day off or like the 15 minutes of recess in school...

that's basically our outside time...

In China we had maternal grandma that sometimes took us outside...

In the US, it was just mom, dad, older brother, and me (cuz grandma can't come yet, no visa yet)... So we had even less outside time... like parenrs had to work all the time...

But of course its always "too much screens!" to be blamed lmao

From 8 to 12 was when my nearsightedness really developed a lot.

I didn't understand why I had nearsigntedness at the time, but now looking back and analyzing my life, now it's so obvious why lol..

My older brother has like -9.00 or -10.00 in the nearsightedness thing. Its funny my parents called it like 900 or 1000 "degrees".... like it sounds so much scarier when they drop the decimal point and literally say: "you're about to have ONE THOUSAND DEGREES IN NEARSIGHTEDNESS! You're gonna GO BLIND!"

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