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submitted 1 year ago by kowcop@aussie.zone to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I was having this conversation with my daughter and thought it was an interesting topic.

If an EMP or solar flare took out everything electronic in the whole world (permanently), how long do you think it would take for you to die, given your current location and circumstances.

I believe my daughter thinks we would live a lot longer than I do, but she is thinking about how long she can live without the internet while I am thinking the world will quickly descend into anarchy.

With no traditional forms of transport, so supplies would dry up, limited resources, health etc, law and order would be a challenge as things become more desperate.

I think I would live for about 3 months. I would try to get the family somewhere safe and remote and come back later, but I think most people would have the same idea.

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[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The world becoming anarchic (=no individual holding power/authority over any other) would be amazing. Electricity turning off might actually help challenge established power structures. I like your thinking !

I also think we tend to underestimate just how good we are, when rid of our oppressions. We're set against one another, day after day, and we end up thinking it's our nature. It's not ! If electricity were to be cut suddenly and everywhere, I'm certain we would help out one another and manage well.

[-] ada 3 points 1 year ago

This was the storyline for the old Jessica Alba show, a Dark Angel.

[-] Damaskox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Would probably depend on how strongly my survive instinct would kick in, and what I'd be willing to do to survive. And of course on how we as a society would deal with this big change.

A few minutes would be the minimum.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think I would get by just fine I do survival camping for fun on a regular basis

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[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

About treefiddy

[-] ComplexLotus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Solar pannels and wind farms will continue working, so the grid may fail, but there will remain many small islands where electricity keeps working ig

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I know a place I could last for months, depending on what time of year the power's lost, but it's a long ways from here. And then, only if bullets for hunting were still available (they'll get scarce fast, faster than toilet paper when COVID came around). Once the bullets are gone, I've either learned to trap or become a vegetarian.

[-] aveline@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I live in the middle of the Mojave Desert, so I think it would depend on the time of year. There would be too many people fighting over what little water we have, and if it was in the middle of the summer, I don't know that I would make it very long.

[-] Ser_Salty@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Would it make you wish for a nuclear winter?

[-] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

In all likelihood the water system would probably stop working at some point, so whenever that goes plus two or three days is likely an upper bound on how long I could survive for. It’s pretty dry here so that would be a lethal problem.

If somehow it stays working, I could probably survive for a few months… basically until society and the supply chains completely break down and stop functioning followed by a period of mass starvation

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[-] mogul@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Wait, I've seen this TV show before.

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[-] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, I wonder if it would make me live longer. Sometimes it takes a literal crisis to get me out of my chair.

Sure the collapse of society will possibly happen. But that means all polluting systems would inevitably shut down. And at that point you have to get creative. While I don't live on a farm, it wouldn't take much to rob a store for seeds and food with the security systems down. And guns are few and far between here in aus.

[-] straypet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Get some seeds, press the button on the packet and after a bit out comes the food, right?

Farming is hard and electricity plays a huge part in how it's currently done.

[-] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, but I'm not planning on doing full on farming.. rather a small set of crops I can manage on my own with gardening implements and my own bare hands. Times will be lean, and I'd have to ration what I have, and there's always the chance that a bad harvest could cause me to catch my death, but trying anything you can is the aim.

Maybe setting some bird traps or something is a good idea, it's worth a shot.

Basically to only grow as much as I need to survive. Might even fill tanks with the water to keep a surplus in case the water system loses pressure and water dries out. I have a set of gas stoves and dad loves his barbecues, so we can cook on propane, charcoal and we can even use the wood for our fireplace, and we could chop trees down in the park near my house for more wood heck our Falcon wagon runs on LPG, so we can use that in our barbecues as well if we can manage to adapt the nozzle on the filler cap.

It won't last forever, but the whole point of doing it is to give yourself enough time to come up with a plan and improve your issues over time.

Even with the power gone I still live in a city. And I guarantee the roads will be blocked with cars as more and more run out of petrol. Unless you can get out as quick as possible and can get fuel before the fuel stations run out of juice to pump the stuff, you aren't going to get far. So you might be better off staying put and only going short distances to conserve your fuel.

Of could if the outage is the result of EMP your modern car's electrics could be fried anyway. Unless you can find spare working parts to fix your ECUs and other computers or to manage to adapt your car to magnetos and carburettors, you won't be going anywhere anyway. Honestly the only thing that might still be working is my dad's Moto Guzzi. Just put the original ignition back on to it if the upgraded electronic ignition is fried and it will run, may have to push start it, but it will., and you can weave in and out of roadblocks with it, and all our other cars and our lawnmower can contribute their fuel via a siphon.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I worked closely with an energy company for some time and enjoyed talking with the field maintenace personell and soon discovered that fable of sensible electronics on the power is just that.

Most of the power relies on hardware to control, distribute and protect the grid. And I mean old school hardware, not electronics.

The most electronic dependent part of the grid here is essentially on the end of the line, inside consumers homes, to measure and control the energy delivered and consumed.

Wild fires are more of a menace to power lines and energy distribution than thunderstorms or other massive energy discharges.

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