Natural doesn't mean peaceful or pleasant. Nature is jam packed with violence and conflict. The universe is an exceptionally violent place, that is natural.
Arguments appealing to nature are nonsensical to begin with.
Animals murder and assault each other in nature. That is "natural" too. Doesn't mean it's what we should strive to either.
I think when appealing to nature is being used as argument, it has to be backed up by consequentialist principle, that there should not be any harm inflicted to anyone.
To give examples, one could say homosexuality is natural, but as long as both parties consent, it should not be an issue. However, in the case of paedophilia despite being natural, the child is getting hurt. A Jewish Roman historian noted that children in a pederastic relationship clearly don't like it.
The nature argument is used most prominently by conservatives and religious people to say homosexuality is bad (though I know scientifically it exists in animals too).
The nature argument is used precisely by the people who don't use the harm principle and instead brute force assert divine mysticism (christians, muslims mostly).
Can you send the source for that historian thing, I'd be interested.
Can you send the source for that historian thing, I'd be interested.
I've read it from Reddit AskHistorians long ago, and knowing Reddit search capability, it would be hard to find the exact post.
For what it's worth, I think the name of the Jewish Roman historian was Josephus. A quick Internet search would mention his name and his views and observations of pederastic culture of ancient Romans and Greeks.
Isn't the natural order, chaos?
At least lawlessness anyway.
Isn't chaos just order on a scale to large to comprehend by the individual?
Maybe. Chaos will have governing rules, like physics. But no control, guidance, or planing. Things just do what they can do.
The natural, the real, everything like that doesn't exist and have never existed. Thousand years ago we made bananas lose their seeds and we changed how society works I don't know how many times.
If we didn't created something, we changed it until it's unrecognisable.
Tankies like tanks.
Helis like helicopters
How is this related to anarchism? Capitalism is just an easy, but also easy to exploit economic system, while anarchism is a form of government. Those are completely different categories.
If, for example, someone switched the usa or russia to socialism right now, their government would still be full of corrupt fascist scum exploiting regular people.
Capitalism is an hierarchy, which anarchism opposes. Saying anarchism is a form of government is like saying transparent is a colour.
They did try to switch russia to socialism. It worked for like 2 years before the people in power decided they want to stay in power. And so it was no longer socialism.
transparent is absolutely a color. i just move the alpha channel to 0% to pick transparent on my phone.
same with anarchism.
Sure, brother, let me just grab my transparent pencil to finish the glass windows in the picture book.
One could say the same thing for Communism, or any form of government, or organized crime, or anything. Hell murder and violence are a constant in nature, so one might say nature is violent and unfair and we should do better to overcome our natural instincts to improve society.
Flippant Anarchism. A lighter take on social criticism with the aim of agitation.
Post humorous takes on capitalism and the states which prop it up. Memes, shitposting, screenshots of humorous good takes, discussions making fun of some reactionary online, it all works.
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