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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by mariah@feddit.rocks to c/linux@lemmy.ml

My user account doesnt have sudo despite being in sudoers. I cant run new commands i have to execute the binary. Grub takes very long to load with "welcome to grub" message. I just wanted a stable distro as arch broke and currupted my external ssd

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My user account doesnt have sudo despite being in sudoers.

I don't know what behavior you are seeing.

Install sudo, add the user to the sudo group, and log out and log back in again (okay, technically you could just sg sudo as that user rather than logging him out, but group privileges are assigned at login, and it's probably easier to just log out).

https://wiki.debian.org/sudo

I cant run new commands i have to execute the binary.

Normally running a command does execute a binary. You mean that you have to fully-specify the path to the binary, that it's not in your PATH? Like, you're typing /bin/ls rather than ls?

It's probably easier for people to understand what's going on if you just paste the output you're seeing and indicate what it is that you expected to see.

[-] beirdobaggins@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

When installing Debian, it asks you for a root password. If you enter one then you will not be added to the sudo group automatically. If you skip entering a root password, you will be added to sudo.

I always enter a root password and then once in the installed OS switch to the root account with su - then add my self to sudo with usermod -aG sudo beirdo-baggins

Then reboot.

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[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe they mean lacking wheel groups? Or not knowing how to invoke sudo with a specific user?

[-] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Debian's got a sudo group, not a wheel group.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean. Arch might use the wheel group and Debian the sudo group, and if he just copied his Arch sudoers file over his Debian one, it would reference the wheel group and wouldn't work.

googles

Yeah, Arch has wheel.

https://linuxopsys.com/topics/add-user-to-sudoers-in-arch-linux

EDIT2: I bet he tried to add his user account explicitly to /etc/sudoers rather than just adding the account to the sudo group and just got the syntax wrong in one way or another, as the syntax of sudoers isn't terribly intuitive.

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[-] kevin@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Normally running a command does execute a binary.

I'm not certain, but I'm wondering if OP means that new programs don't automatically get a "desktop" app or whatever. I'm often annoyed when I have to manually create the file that lets me access software from the launch menu

[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Offtopic, but I had no use for desktop files in general, as I launch stuff from the command line, but I finally discovered a wonderful use for them. Steam creates a desktop file for Steam games it installs. Steam itself is...not all that amazing as a launcher. Gives you the last five games launched in a contextual menu from a tray icon, and a list of games you can search through in the client interface after you bring up the window and move to the Library tab. However, you can set up rofi to use desktop files as completions (one sets it up to complete on "drun"), and then rofi can act as your Steam game launcher, which is great. I can just whack a keystroke to invoke rofi, and then type a few characters of the game I want and whack enter, and rofi will prioritize by last-invoked. Really nice not having to slog through the Steam interface.

[-] kevin@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

That's basically how I use desktop files generally, the kde launch menu (similar to the old Windows "start"... I don't know what it's called) comes up when I tap super, and then I can start typing and find what I want to launch.

You can set that up to run custom scripts, but all desktop files are there by default.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

In the Steam interface you should be able to sort by recently used, and hide anything that's not installed. Might make it easier to find your games :)

[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I've used that, and the "lite" interface, but what I want is a fast, searchable list, no mouse involvement, just with a single key combination to bring up the search, and recent game stuff, and rofi with drun does all of that, which was pleasant.

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[-] nobloat@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

When installing Debian, if you choose to enable a root account then sudo is not installed by default and your user isn't added to the sudo group. Next time try to opt for not enabling the root account to have a similar experience to other distros. Debian does this doe security reasons but it's annoying for users used to a certain way of doing things. Many distros just disable root account by default so you don't see that issue.

[-] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, is that what happens? Explains why I didn't have sudo, thought it was a bug lol.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

They tell you in the installer, I didn't read it either.

[-] tvcvt@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

It sounds like you’re seeing a few different issues here and it makes me wonder if there’s some hardware issue that’s causing some of this or if the installation is botched (though it’s be odd for that to hose two different distros.

Last time I looked Debian didn’t include sudo by default, so you’d have to install it first. To add yourself to the sudoers group, log in as root and run usermod -aG sudo mariah (assuming that’s your username). Then reboot (logging out your user should work too, but better be thorough).

Grub sometimes includes a timeout longer than I like and you can edit that in the /etc/default/grub file to something of your liking.

Not sure what you mean about the commands, but maybe it’s an issue with your $PATH.

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[-] silencer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

How does Arch breaks and corrupts an external ssd?

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 4 points 1 year ago

Beats me. I just started my windows single gpu passthrough vm and it froze so i rebooted and arch went into emergency mode. The ssd just wont mount. I had to remove it from fstab to boot

[-] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 10 points 1 year ago

I don't think it actually corrupted the SSD, perhaps a module is missing or such, and that's why it goes into emergency mode. Have you tried mounting the drive from say, a live usb?

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 4 points 1 year ago

Yes Screenshot_20231013-053621 If i can get it working ill be so happy as i have 4000 music videos

[-] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Arch will go into emergency mode whenever it can't mount a volume in fstab on boot. If the drive is formatted as NTFS, I've had this exact problem. I think it has to do with windows marking the drive as dirty. I didn't bother figuring out what the problem was, I just stopped trying to mount an NTFS drive on boot. Maybe you'd have better luck using the ntfs-3g driver?

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 2 points 1 year ago
[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Can you see the drive in Debian? Like, does it show up in lsblk output, which doesn't rely on there being anything on the drive? If not, it may have failed. Like, not something that Arch did.

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 2 points 1 year ago
[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the partition in question is /dev/sdd1, what does fsck /dev/sdd1 give?

Also, you shouldn't need to specify the fs type to mount, as it'll auto-detect it.

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 2 points 1 year ago

/usr/sbin/fsck: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

looks puzzled

/usr/sbin/fsck should be an executable. On my Debian Trixie system, it is. That sounds like it's a script, and whatever interpreter is specified to run it by the shebang line at the top of the file doesn't like the file's syntax. I wouldn't think that any Linux distro would replace that binary with a script, as it's something that has to run when almost everything else is broken.

On my system, I get:

$ file /usr/sbin/fsck
/usr/sbin/fsck: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked,   terpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=9d35c49423757582c9a21347eebe2c0f9dfdfdc4, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped
$ strings -n3 /usr/sbin/fsck|head -n5
ELF
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
GNU
GNU
#uu

Do you get anything like that?

EDIT: Oh, wait, wait, wait. /usr/sbin/fsck might be printing that message itself. I was gonna say that fsck shouldn't be looking at any files, but the man page lists /etc/fstab as a file that it looks at. Looking at strace -e openat fsck on my system, it does indeed look at /etc/fstab. Maybe the contents of your /etc/fstab are invalid, have a parenthesis in it. Can you also try grep '(' /etc/fstab and see what that gives?

EDIT2: I don't think that it's an fsck error message. When I replace the first line of my fstab with left parens, I get "fsck: /etc/fstab: parse error at line 1 -- ignored", which is a lot more reasonable.

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry i was using sh. This is the output

fsck: error 2 (No such file or directory) while executing fsck.ext2 for /dev/sdd1

[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry i was using sh.

Ah, okay, that makes more sense.

On my system, looks like fsck.ext2 is a symlink to e2fsck, which is provided by the e2fsprogs package:

$ type fsck.ext2
fsck.ext2 is /sbin/fsck.ext2
$ dpkg -S /sbin/fsck.ext2
e2fsprogs: /sbin/fsck.ext2

Can you try:

# apt install e2fsprogs

And then run:

# fsck /dev/sdd1

Again?

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 2 points 1 year ago

E2fsprogs is installed already

[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

rubs chin

Okay. "error 2 (No such file or directory)" is the error code that perror() will print when it gets ENOENT.

checks

One way you can get that is if you attempt to execute a file that isn't there, or execute or open a symlink that has a target that's missing. Could be that fsck.ext2 is missing or is a symlink, and that the e2fsck binary that it points to isn't there.

On my system, I get this:

$ ls -l /sbin/fsck.ext2 /sbin/e2fsck
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 356624 Sep  8 00:47 /sbin/e2fsck
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      6 Sep  8 00:47 /sbin/fsck.ext2 -> e2fsck

Do you get something like that as well?

If they aren't there, you can force reinstallation of e2fsprogs with # apt install --reinstall e2fsprogs and if the files are missing, that should add them, but I don't know how one could wind up in a situation where the package database thinks that the package is installed but that the binaries aren't present on a fresh Debian install.

[-] AnokLola@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I think reinstalling Debian might be the best solution in this situation.

[-] digger@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I'd give LMDE a look. Debian under the hood, everything works, and really slick to boot.

[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

Nah Debian 12 is weird. I recently installed on a few systems and they all do the same — usermod isn’t in roots $PATH by default, and my user account wasn’t a sudoer by default.

I’ve added myself to sudo but I keep getting “kicked out” when I start a new shell. Have to newgrp sudo to be able to sudo again.

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[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Seems you get good help here. I am curious, after coming from Arch, why did you take the old af Debian? Currently its not that bad, but it will simply get boring if all the new stuff of like 2 years is missing. Why not Fedora or Opensuse? Psst, Fedora Atomic /Ublue images may also be nice!

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 5 points 1 year ago

I just wanted something stable. I have celebral palsy and installing distros is very hard as i have bad motor control so i can barely use a mouse

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I can recommend Linux Mint Debian Edition. It smoothes out a lot of the "sharp corners" of Debian and makes it more pleasant to use, IMO.

[-] Guenther_Amanita@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just asking: how long have you been using Arch and why? What qualities did you like in it?

Going from Arch to Debian is a huge leap. In my personal opinion, Debian is a great distro for servers or really really conservative desktop users, but it gets stale really fast.

Something in between both is ideal for deskop use, like Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, etc.. The half year release schedule keeps everything modern, but stable enough.


You said in another comment, that stability is the most important aspect for you. I recommend you...

Fedora Silverblue

Why?

  • Great update schedule (see above)
  • Extremely stable. Fedora at it's base (already pretty reliable), immutable base (less bugs, since that's more reproducible and therefore easier to fix), also
  • Atomic updates. You either apply a functioning update, or no update at all. If you update on a traditional distro and loose power, it is only applied partially and your system is borked
  • You can always rollback with one click if an update isn't working as it should (e.g. screen flickering)
  • Seamless updates. They just get installed in the background and when you reboot, the next image is already selected for you. I don't even notice an update and never get annoyed. I shut my PC off anyhow every few days, since booting takes just a few seconds on an NVME.
  • Base can be exchanged with one command. If you run Gnome and want to switch to KDE, you rebase with one command, reboot, and everything Gnome related is gone and KDE is installed cleanly! Feels like a reinstall, but your user settings and data are all still there. You can also rebase to something from Project uBlue, which offers custom images, like a SteamDeck-clone, different kernels, Cinnamon desktop, and so on...
  • Huge software repository. You (should) never install .rpm s directly to your system, you use containers. Flatpak is great, but Distrobox even more! You can access the AUR too if you want and use those apps just like natively.
  • And so on
[-] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For the GRUB delay...hmm. GRUB's pretty early in the boot process. I'm not totally sure what would add delay in Debian. Not a lot of per-distro difference there.

GRUB itself has a delay of a few seconds until it starts automatically booting Linux, time to give someone the option to choose something else. That delay is configurable and might vary on a per-distro basis, but that delay has the GRUB screen visible already. So I don't think it'd give the symptoms you describe.

I'd think that you'd have to be either doing BIOS stuff or something very early in the GRUB startup to be getting a delay before the GRUB screen is visible.

considers

Maybe your BIOS is waiting for the old boot drive to come up -- you said something about an external drive dying -- then timing out and looking through the list of remaining bootable drives and finding GRUB installed there? Maybe try going into BIOS and explicitly selecting the Debian boot drive as being the drive that you want to boot from?

[-] mariah@feddit.rocks 3 points 1 year ago

The drive was never used as a boot 1. Only for media: videos, photos

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[-] FourThirteen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

What's with everyone recommending a different distro instead of trying to help the user in the thread?

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Because this guy broke Debian, they need to use not-Debian for a while to get their feet wet.

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[-] aboutscientific@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Based on Debian, with just the right amount of user-friendly additions is MXLinux. Coming from Ubuntu, installing MX was particularly easy, the small community is very helpful and knowledgeable, and any quirks Debian might pose to a desktop user seem to have been ironed out.

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