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The author raises some good questions about the licensing of the core utils. Why the MIT license? Why not stick to GNU GPL?

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[-] einlander@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago
[-] undu@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 weeks ago

And a truckload of FUD on top of that

[-] C8r9VwDUTeY3ZufQRYvq@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago
[-] mrbigmouth502@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Old Slashdot term.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 29 points 2 weeks ago

I have no interest in watching quarter of an hour of clickbait nonsense, what's the tldr besides the licencing non-issue?

This is a distro that received crap because of the transition to snaps and the whole Amazon shopping lens thing. There's pretty stiff competition for "worst release".

I really don't know what to do for my next desktop distro.

I don't use my PC exclusively for gaming. So things like Bazzite or Nobara are not my jam.

Arch-based distros seem too bleeding-edge. I don't have that much free time to troubleshoot my PC. That's why Ubuntu was so appealing to me. It just worked! Now I feel that with the latest LTS I'm going to be trapped into Canonical's ecosystem with Snaps or risk borking my install. I hate this idea.

I might just move to Debian Stable. I don't mind being a big behind if it means having a rock solid system. I'm also very used to the Debian packaging system. Also there's no company behind it that might take it in a certain direction.

Alternatively there could be OpenSUSE Tumbleweed slow roll, but apparently it doesn't play well with NVidia graphical drivers? I'm also not used to their ecosystem at all.

Tough decisions ahead.

[-] silverchase@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fedora's key selling point is being up to date and extremely boring. It's mainly just off-the-shelf software, with minimal niche custom software. Flathub and Steam are available from the setup process. It's the most Linux Linux that Linuxes today.

Edit: the bonus is that Red Hat being a sponsor means that the biggest improvements to the Linux desktop come to Fedora first. That's what happened with PipeWire.

[-] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 7 points 2 weeks ago

I started off with Nobara, then tried Linux Mint but moved to Kubuntu, I tried Ubuntu but stuck with Kubuntu, the Kubuntu fucked up and I tried Linux Mint again and havent looked back since. I really like Linux Mint and its what I recommend to anyone I try to get onto Linux. It just works

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[-] terabyterex@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Your comment is almost exactly the text for "why you should use fedora". Not as bleeding edge as arch, not as behind as debian. A great balance.

Yeah. Either that or OpenSUSE. But I fer OpenSUSE might not have as big a user base as Fedora or as much user documentation.

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 8 points 2 weeks ago

I’m on Tumbleweed, just regular. It works fine. There are hiccups on occasion, typically NVidia screwing up their drivers.

Tumbleweed has snapper however, letting you roll back upgrades with just a couple button presses. Takes less than five minutes.

I highly recommend it.

[-] brap@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Another vote for Tumbleweed. Again, it just works. While I have an older card just begging for the sweet release of death, I’ve had no real issues with nVidia drivers either.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

bazzite is not just for gaming

it's brilliant for everything

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Linux Mint is a good choice but it doesn't come with a GNOME flavour by default. You can install it yourself if you want, though.

I moved to Fedora after leaving Ubuntu. Worked fine for me, but you'll have to re-train your muscle memory for some terminal commands. sudo apt install becomes sudo dnf install and rpm is a little different from dpkg. Other than that, with the Dash to Dock extension, Fedora feels exactly the same as Ubuntu to me.

[-] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 1 points 2 weeks ago

the bigger difference with dnf is instead of apt update && upgrade it's dnf upgrade --refresh

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

Why does dnf always default to n in y/n questions? That is annoying to me

[-] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

you can add the flag -y if it helps

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[-] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

So does pacman, I don't see what package manager doesn't confirm with y/n for safety.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

With apt it defaults to (Y/n) rather than dnf's (y/N) that's what I'm talking about.

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[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago

If Bazzite appeals to you except for the gaming orientation, look into the Fedora UniversalBlue spins.

Thanks, but Bazzite doesn't really appeal to me. Fedora does have an official KDE Plasma desktop distro now though.

[-] determinist@kbin.earth 5 points 2 weeks ago

I run Cachyos (KDE), for 9 months now. It's Arch based. I have had only one problem that I caused myself because I didn't read the docs well enough. Other than that I have had zero issues and it just works.

It's the best distro I've used (previously ran very early Ubuntu, the SuSe for a while, then Mint).

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Cachy is pretty solid. If you can name a distro I've at least tried it. Though I would still recommend mint for someone who has no idea what they're doing and just need things to "work". But garuda, endeavor or cachy are all pretty solid and straight forward. And with the talk of a new independent graphical package manager for Arch. It's only going to get easier to operate and maintain.

[-] TrippyHippy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

What are your thoughts on PikaOs or have you tried it yet?

[-] Sophocles@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago

I had the same way of thinking you do when I switched. I eventually landed on LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) because it just worked. Debian itself was too old to do some gaming stuff I wanted and Arch is too bleeding edge for my taste and amount of free time I have to throw at it.

LMDE gives you the rock solid experience with just enough updates to have an easy time with updates or occasional tinkering

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ubuntu is fine. Fair warning if you do go the debian route, upgrading from one Debian stable version to the next is not as easy as an Ubuntu distro-upgrade. But OTOH the Ubuntu upgrades are probably the riskiest part of ubuntu too.

Ubuntu won't be fine on their next LTS release. Snap is becoming even more mandatory. I don't have anything against Snap per se, but the way they're forcing it and tricking users when using apt is not right.

[-] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bazzite has a couple of non-gaming sisters: Bluefin (gnome) and Aurora (KDE). ~~Like Tumbleweed~~ they're immutable so you can't mess with the stuff they keeps it running which is why it just works.

[-] tychosmoose@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

FWIW Tumbleweed isn't immutable. It's a rolling release. MicroOS is the official openSUSE immutable release, but it's server oriented. Kalpa is immutable openSUSE for desktop, but still in development.

The separate Aeon desktop project is immutable and more mature, and also focused on desktop usage. With Gnome.

[-] hobata@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

try FreeBSD, then Mint.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I normally use NixOS but recently tried out PikaOS on one of my machines and I love it. Sure it's got a gaming focus but it's fast. damn fast. makes my dev work a breeze. It feels like one of the most complete Linux distros I've ever used. takes all of 15min to install and you can be up and running with everything you need within 30min. And their Pikman package manager is one of the best I've ever used. has distrobox built into it so if I want to install something from Arch, or the AUR, or Fedora, or whatever I just do "pikman --aur install whatever" spins up a distrobox, automatically exports it, good to go. Also has one of the fastest startups I've ever experienced that it felt like I wasn't on systemd. Like Void runit start up speed.

If there are people who want something like Bazzite or Nobara but want a lot more flexibility for packages than PikaOS is it.

[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Try NixOS. If you can make it work for you then you will never go back. Learning curve is pretty steep though.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 13 points 2 weeks ago

the curve for someone coming from ubuntu is pretty much a wall.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

as someone who uses NixOS I wouldn't recommend NixOS. sure it makes the hard things easy but it makes the easy things hard.

Then you potentially fall into the trap of configuration hell where you're just constantly tinkering to get that sweet spot. I have to take vacations from NixOS otherwise I wouldn't get any work done. Don't get me wrong I LOVE it but it's not for everyone.

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[-] silverchase@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Fun fact: if the learning curve is steep, then it's rising up a lot in a small amount of time. In order words, a steep learning curve means a lot of learning happens quickly!

[-] anguo@piefed.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's only if you use time as your X axis.

[-] mrbigmouth502@piefed.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I wish there were a Linux equivalent for what the Windows world had before Windows 7 went EOL, where you could have an older, stable base OS that was mostly forward-compatible with newer software.

You can sort of achieve this with Debian Stable and Flatpak, but it's not as seamless as the forward compatibility old versions of Windows had.

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[-] Speiser0@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago

Ubuntu being shit for personal users is all but new (Who wants 2 year old software? I want upstream's latest stable release. Who likes snap?). Ubuntu having higher hardware requirements than other distros is also not new (it's the reason why I switched away from it over a decade ago). Ubuntu breaking stuff is also not new (big upgrades of ubuntu flavors have always been disrupting for me). Ubuntu shipping new premature things instead of being stable also feels not new to me.

Ubuntu is doing ubuntu things. It's interesting to see how far it went. The video also has a bit of needless whining though (who cares about the different default for sudo asterisks, just change the setting).

[-] nobody_1677@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ubuntu being shit for personal users is all but new (Who wants 2 year old software?

A lot of people. From a snap I maintain:

So not only are some people fine with 2 year old software, they're choosing to use 4 year old software more often than 6 month old software (granted in this second case, you can argue it's because Ubuntu promotes the LTS as the main version).

[-] Speiser0@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

That they are doing it doesn't mean they want it this way. Ubuntu calls its half yearly releases unstable (or used to), which scares users off. Upgrading is also hard on ubuntu (compared to arch, where the set of installed packages stays (apart from renaming and similar) the same). And for the software where they need it, the users already use ppas, probably. And then there are the users who almost only use a browser. And there are enterprise users who don't upgrade because not all of their software works on new ubuntu.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

There's a Linux Discord server I go to for tech support questions when I need to, and they won't even give you the time of day if you're not using an LTS release. That alone scared me away from other versions.

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not to unmask internet anonymity but I'm curious what sort of snap this is since that surely affects the user base and provides some context for these numbers.

But I think you're probably right. From my experience, people that are not me(arch btw) using linux generally want something stable, not chasing updates or latest releases.

[-] nobody_1677@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's a utility app that is that is available on Linux, Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android. It's a decently popular app and is more likely to be used by regular people than in a business setting.

It's in the top 50 most popular apps on Flathub.

[-] mrbigmouth502@piefed.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ubuntu 20.04 was the last good version. I wish it still got security updates, because I'd likely use it occasionally if it did.

[-] LostWanderer@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago

This video is a bit dramatic, nothing can be worse than a Windows 11 update...However, I do have some grievances with the reliance of snaps. Given the recent spate of software vulnerabilities associated with Snaps, if Canonical is going to push them on users. They better get snappy with the security hardening of their pet project, as one cannot be Microslop messy when it comes to creating proprietary software packaging and ecosystem! I also do agree that removing the easy way of setting up PPAs and software sources graphically is a bad move on Canonical's part.

X11 is doomed to die, the discussions were had, and the maintaining that shambling corpse for any longer when Wayland is a good replacement that will become better with time, was deemed pointless. GNOME decided to drop X11 faster than KDE (they will be dropping in the next few releases). However, there will still be distros that take on the effort to maintain X11 despite it being a shambling corpse...

Canonical falling in step with GNOME on that decision isn't the worst thing in the world. Canonical dropping X11 means less work maintaining it, as long as they pour that saved effort into better ventures, bully for them. Honestly, even Wayland isn't going to be forever, and I hope they transition into a better display manager faster than the X11 to Wayland process.

I haven't used Ubuntu in a hot minute, as openSUSE Tumbleweed and Solus has filled my needs so far...I think Ubuntu 26.04 will be a solid release (barring any release day issues, that are known to happen).

[-] ringo32@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ubuntu releases is personal fine for new or avarage users. But standard snaps is kinda bad. Should always be optional.

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The whine about removing X11 is pretty annoying. Fedora has done the same, and the impact of doing so seems to be pretty small; Xwayland provides the compatibility layer needed, and Nvidia driver issues have been pretty much eliminated.

The sudo change is a design choice and from an accessibility point of view a positive thing - people having problems with typing on a keyboard will probably welcome the change to make it visible when they properly hit a key.

But i can get behind the rest of the critique - an LTS release shouldn't have feature incomplete and standard-ignoring core utils, and the audio dependency on snap is bordering on publicly taunting snap opponents. Also, an LTS probably shouldn't opt for a bleeding edge kernel. And what is the reason for the (for a linux distribution) pretty high RAM requirements?

If someone asks me for an recommendation for linux newbies, i will probably go with fedora (or nobara if they game much). It's been rock solid for me, easy to use for a newbie, and still gives you all the freedom you want if you are an advanced user.

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