There is not going to be any rational discussion in this thread.
The article is far too shit. There is nothing there. No evidence. No nothing. It's just anger bait.
I can add a lot of (correct) information here, but I will just piss people off.
Let's be better.
I thought salon was better than this, but I guess we can't escape enshitification.
If it helps, I can rationally discuss glyphosate. Plant geneticist here.
You called it. It's just went downhill as I scrolled.
It's just so hard to resist. Everything is wrong. It's like it's designed to make everyone angry.
Well... That drives engagement.
I don't know why you thought salon would be better. I was literally about to say they're the liberal equivalant of Fox but I just looked it up and even Fox is actually ranked higher on factual reporting than Salon. A closer comparison would be that they're the liberal equivalent of Breitbart.
Detectable is not the same thing as being found at a level known to be harmful. The concentration of things matters.
~~"it's totally fine that you were all exposed to cyanide, it's nowhere near toxic levels! You're overreacting." - Some guy working for the people who exposed everyone to syanide~~
I urge all the people somehow disagreeing with the spirit of this statement to go ahead and drink some cyanide.
You realize tons of regularly consumed foods have cyanide in them, right?
Do you have any idea how many people have detectable levels of DHMO in their systems?
What the hell is a DHMO?
Dihydrogen monoxide
It's a horrible deadly substance and kills around 320k people globally from over exposure. And it can be found in almost every food in America. It's a travesty that we haven't banned it yet.
With it ban O2 I heard that shit comes from plants and the toxic ones. Why poison the air we breath?
Not much, you?
There is not a single substance in existence that cannot kill you at high enough doses. There is a small amount of methanol in fruit juice. Cyanide in the pits and seeds of many fruits, red kidney beans contain lectin and must be cooked to reduce the concentration of that substance until they no longer cause sickness. Vitamin A in small doses is necessary for health but high doses can straight up kill you. Table salt (Sodium content) is also necessary but high doses can raise the risk of high blood pressure, heart attack and stroke. Fluoride strengthens enamel in small doses but causes a debilitating bone disease that results in bone deformities at high doses. "The dose makes the poison" is a common saying because it is true. I know people want to be able to categorize substances into toxins and not toxins but thats not how the real world works. The real world is complicated.
Your body literally produces cyanide all the time, it's just really good at metabolizing it quickly before it builds up to a harmful concentration... so yeah, great example.
You're producing and exhaling cyanide right now, you buffoon.
I hope you know just standing in sunlight exposes you to radiation
Sunlight is in fact a very, very common cause of cancer.
Never mind that enough foods with "safe" levels of glyphosate contamination combine to form carcinogenic Voltron.
that's... not how this works.
(thankfully)
Can we stop spreading this bullshit anti-glyphosate propaganda? educate yourselves
You wanna know what else has been linked to cancer, and with actual good evidence for it? Hot water. source
Go touch grass and worry about the things you should really worry about, like the fact your food system is set up for collapse with 2 decades and you'd better hope big Ag comes up with something brilliant cuz otherwise you're in the shit unless you're at least partially self-sufficient.
Why don’t you drink a nice Pint of Roundup on this guy?
Right after you drink a pint of long-trusted household products, like lye or ammonia
Bring me pure glyphosate and I will mix it and drink it. But round-up has a whole lot of surfactants will which will fuck up your esophagus, lungs and stomach. So will dishwashing liquid though, and I bet you use that all the time on things you eat from.
F’real. I’d like to know what alternate timeline has more deaths: the one where, going forward, we continue our modern farming practices as-is; the other, we ban them and revert to only organic farming.
I’d bet cancer deaths per calorie of food produced would be roughly the same…organic farming being both less efficient and not a guarantee in itself that pesticides/herbicides are safer for humans. And l, being less efficient, I’d wager we’d hit famine simply by not having enough good farming land to meet dietary needs.
And who is getting cancer? Mostly farmers that are too lazy/proud to don PPE, and migrant workers who aren’t provided it. In either case it takes a lot of intentional, repeated, unprotected direct exposure. Joe Public isn’t gonna get cancer spraying his poison ivy or even his tomato’s.
other things in the probably carcinogenic category: coffee & working the night shift.
the difference is, those things are on the list with good reason.
I mean, Round-up is absolutely dangerous and unhealthy. It's a fucking terrible idea to get a cubic meter tank and mix glyphosate by submerging your arms up to the shoulder to stir the product till it's diluted. You really shouldn't start your day with a tall glass of it, nor should you rub it in your eyes.
It's very hard to say if it actually causes cancer, since the type it reportedly causes it causes by about a million things, among them, almost every pesticide and herbicide from the generations before round-up (and potentially after, but we don't know yet). Since it commonly manifests in older people, it's very hard to tell if a random farmer got it from round-up, another pesticide, or just bad luck.
What we DO know is that plants grown with round-up have no effect on consumers, and when used properly, has less severe effects than alternatives.
But if you're in the habit of mixing roundup with your bare hands, and spraying it in shorts and flip flops, you should probably stop doing that.
While i think that link is more correct, it is hard to take it serious when they call it a pesticide.
Pesticide is a pretty standard generic word (at least in British English) covering insecticides, herbicides, fungicides.
In murican, at least in my area, pesticide is used exclusively to refer to something that kills animals like an insectiside or vermin poison. We would just use herbicide when talking about a weed killer.
Did you focus group that hot water line?
Wait, is this your focus group? If so, it sucks.
Do you wanna present an actual argument or just whine because reality doesn't suit you?
Noooo, it is totally safe - Monsanto/Bayer said so in the studies they paid for! It’s so safe that the EU wants to allow it for at least another ten years.
I am really curious who those hard defenders of Glyphosate are - are you guys Farmers?
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