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Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

Fastly and Mozilla are taking another important step toward a more secure and private internet with Firefox’s adoption of Fastly as an Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP) Relay in order to guarantee more privacy for Firefox users. We are thrilled to work in partnership with Firefox and Mozilla, who have a proven track record of investing in technologies that protect their users and working to improve the internet. How does Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP) work?

OHTTP is a spec and service architecture that engineers can use to enable more private communications between two parties by splitting the information about the requester from the information of the request being made. You can read more about OHTTP here, but the basic idea is that it is “double-blind” in the sense that the spec is designed so that there is never a single party who has all of the information about who is making a request, and what the request is. When OHTTP is not in use all of that data is mixed together, which leaves room for abuse or misuse, and also means that a malicious attack could gain access to that data. With OHTTP a new level of privacy is guaranteed. firefox blog image 2

Fastly serves as the OHTTP Relay, receiving a request from the OHTTP client (in this case it would be in the browser), that includes metadata about the requester which Fastly can read and strip away, as well as an encapsulated and encrypted request that is passed along through the relay as designed. Fastly never knows what information is in the request itself, and Mozilla never knows any of the metadata about the requester. Browsers are the beginning

The double blind communication enabled by a new generation of private-by-design technologies are impossible with HTTP alone. We believe that OHTTP, MASQUE*, and DAP** represent the beginning of a more private and secure future for all communications on the internet. Browsers occupy an important position, sitting between users and a great deal of their activity on the internet. When Firefox and other browsers adopt new technologies like this it sends an important signal that this level of privacy-by-design should be table-stakes going forward. Working toward a more private internet

This technology is still relatively complicated to implement, being adopted by larger organizations like the most popular browsers, but we are getting a glimpse of a future where more is possible. We have seen this before with the adoption of HTTPS, which is now expected and the default – not just for business and large organizations, but even for small personal websites.

Fastly views the work to bring OHTTP and other privacy protecting technologies to browsers and apps as a fundamental, necessary first step. Connected/smart device manufacturers, network hardware companies, and the consumer electronics industry at large are becoming more serious about compliance and privacy. And with the help of organizations like Mozilla, we are laying the groundwork for a future where applications – even smaller ones without the resources of an Apple, Google, Microsoft, or Mozilla, will be able to access OHTTP simply. We won’t arrive at this state tomorrow, but we are starting to have options for how to get there.

Our goal is to create a future where all internet communications are private through the democratization of these private-by-design technologies. We must start with specific use cases and particular protocols with organizations like Mozilla who share this vision, and are ready to be early adopters. Over time the aim is to broaden the use of the technology as the private communication pathways are more universally available and easy to use. We expect this to be pushed forward in at least a couple ways – first, by continued regulatory moves and privacy legislation that forces adoption of these kinds of technologies. Second, we expect it to evolve to be a standard that users expect, like the lock in their URL bar for HTTPS connections. This is the commoditization of privacy in a great way, where improved privacy becomes cheap to the point that it is only a negligible cost to adopt an improved standard, and a reputational cost if you don’t adopt it.

Fastly will not be the only option for providing a relay for this type of feature, but we do intend to be the best option. We intend to be the change we want to see in the internet and move all of us toward a future of complete privacy in internet traffic.

*MASQUE = Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC Encryption

**DAP = Distributed Aggregation Protocol (for privacy preserving measurement)

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[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good: this splits the data requests so that Mozilla and Fastly each hold only a part of the requests, and yet still stand in the way of leaking fingerprinting data from browser users to target websites.

Bad: one more organization injected into the trust chain, one more point of both security and operational failure.

[-] ButtDrugs@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

It seems like the will respect TLS, so in theory even if it failed and someone was able to intercept the request at the relay, they wouldn't have access to the data. That being said"Harvest Now, Decrypt Later" is becoming more popular as people anticipate quantum computing may be able to crack these encryptions in bulk.

[-] Melody@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

**DAP = Distributed Aggregation Protocol (for privacy preserving measurement)

They've already screwed up. This is another way they're trying to sneak unwanted bullshit into the fabric of the internet.

Next I want you to look closely at this author.

Jana Iyengar VP, Product, Infrastructure Services

Uhuh. First problem is he's a VP. This man's job demands that what he sells makes MONEY first.

Next let's have a look at the mini bio. (Emphasis added)

Jana Iyengar is VP of Product for Infrastructure Services at Fastly, where he is responsible for the core hardware, software, and networking systems that constitute Fastly’s platform. Prior to this, he was a Distinguished Engineer at Fastly, where he worked on transport and networking performance, building and deploying QUIC and HTTP/3, and serving as editor of the IETF’s QUIC specifications. He chairs the IRTF’s Internet Congestion Control Research Group (ICCRG). Prior to Fastly, he worked on QUIC and other networking projects at Google, before which he was an Associate Professor of Computer Science at Franklin & Marshall College.”

It's easy to miss because they LITERALLY gloss right over it. This dude is an ex-Googler.

Hell. To. The. No. No. No. No. No!

This is Telemetry, analytic and tracking crap BUILT RIGHT IN AT THE FUCKING PROTOCOL LEVEL

NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! FUCK NOPE!

Today's unreadable hashes are tomorrow's GUUIDs with Quantum Computing right around the fucking corner.

What is confirmed as cryptographically sound for now, may not be for even the remainder of the decade.

[-] chaosppe@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fire fox is living up to it's name as they are on fire. Everytime I see a tech update from any of the major players it's always bad, except Firefox. Keep being real. I luv u

[-] Vexz@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago
[-] lud@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Vexz@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds nice and all but Google won't adopt this for sure and many other big tech companies that have much power on the internet, like Cloudflare.

Edit:
Guess I was wrong.

[-] icedterminal@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I doubt that Cloudflare won't adopt it. They're actually pretty privacy focused. What's funny about your comment, is at the time of viewing, the comment above yours in this thread links to the authoring of the draft. Which lists an employee from Mozilla and an employee from Cloudflare. Repo for the source draft is here. If you view the commits you can see authors. Click the names to view their profiles

[-] Vexz@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Yes, that was also my post, haha.

[-] bappity@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

OHTTP is awesome! surprised something like this wasn't implemented earlier

[-] NullaFacies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Question: with this introducing another party into these requests, wouldn’t this be exposing you to another company? If i recall correctly, Firefox connects to cloudflare by default.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

See my comment earlier; what they’ve done is split the PII so that Mozilla and Cloudflare get less of it and Fastly only gets to handle the encrypted parts. It’s a good approach to PII siloing that ensures no one player gets enough to be actionable.

That said, it still introduces yet another party/point of failure.

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