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[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm no fan of Kamala, but vague gesturing towards stopping nuclear armament (it even says in that picture "diplomatic solution still preferable") is different from a full mask-off declaration that they're going to commit warcrimes.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago

Well have I got great news for you: Trump said he wouldn't start any wars before the election and not bomb Iran at all!

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's a difference between known liar Trump, who contradicts himself from one sentence to the next, and Kamala, who is a bog-standard politician. This is just a hypothetical of course, but I think it'd be incredibly likely that Kamala would have continued economically suppressing Iran via sanctions, maybe some half-hearted attempts at another nuclear deal, but would have had advisors presenting what military aggression would mean for the region (including the economic damage of them blocking the strait) to prevent her from pushing this far. She'd likely be another Biden: not directly assisting Israel in aggression, but too cowardly to call them out in any meaningful way.

Anyone with a functioning brain could see Trump was talking out of his ass on this topic, especially when project 2025 explicitly talks about waging a regime change war on Iran and assisting Israel in bombing Iran.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago

There’s a difference between known liar Trump, who contradicts himself from one sentence to the next, and Kamala, who is a bog-standard politician.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

She’d likely be another Biden: not directly assisting Israel in aggression, but too cowardly to call them out in any meaningful way.

Again, there's a difference between complicity via silence, and complicity via an active bombing campaign. Neither is good by any stretch of the imagination, but the latter is clearly worse than the former.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't understand your point. Both of them have a massive track record of lying. But the one thing Trump did actually have was a record of not starting any wars in his previous presidency.

Both of them are in the pocket of AIPAC but Kamala was signalling that if Iran didn't agree to a "diplomatic solution" then she would start a war. Which is literally what Trump did was well. He told Iran to give up the nukes. Iran said no. Then he bombed Iran.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago

The difference is worthless, your opinions are worthless

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Selling weapons to them and defending their actions publicly isn't silence.

[-] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The Biden administration actively structured it's weapon shipments in such a way that they wouldn't trigger Congressional oversight, they actively ran with the "Hamas 40 beheaded babies" blood libel, they actively condemned anti genocide protestors, they actively sent special forces to build that pier they used for a hospital massacre, they are are as actively complicit as it is possible to be.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago

The difference is worthless, one is just a more competent manipulator

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

She’d likely be another Biden: not directly assisting Israel in aggression, but too cowardly to call them out in any meaningful way.

Yep, in other words BOMBING Iran

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, you prefer the smiling fox to the snarling wolf.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Iran never seeked a nuclear weapon and why would a nuclear iran be a threat only to jews. It is pretty clear she conflate jews with israel

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

Considering newly bombed synagogue in Tehran, during passover no less, i would say entirely another state is a threat to Jews.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago

Yes the dems are so good about not saying out loud what we all know they're going to do anyway, so much more respectable

[-] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago

And look who she was specifically speaking to and when. She was specifically campaigning to Jewish voters. She’d probably say anything to get their vote.

While the dnc is an atrocity, their members aren’t wrong for calling this a genocide.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

she lost because she said the same thing to the rest of us

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 3 points 2 weeks ago

It literally says diplomacy is preferable but all options are on the table.

Am I nuts or is that a reasonable, balanced position?

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

All options are on table is not reasonsble especially when irsn never seeked a nuclear weapon

[-] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

This is not a reasonable, balanced position.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's relative. It's not exactly a reasonable, balanced position, but it's more reasonable than the alternative which is clear and unambiguous war crimes, and possibly meets the criteria for genocide.

We knew what Trump's policy was on the campaign trail:

On Iran, Project 2025 advocates a markedly more confrontational stance, denigrating diplomacy and the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in favor of barely veiled advocacy for regime change.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Oooooh. Another strongly worded scold with zero action behind it. Gotta love it.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

War crimes don't tend to be considered options.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe if you're completely unfamiliar with US military history

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I see posts about a small percentage of MAGAts saying they made a terrible mistake and we say leopards ate their face; but somehow I don't see likewise with "former" Zionists admitting their support for Israel was a bad idea or owning up to it.

Either they still support genocide or they think they can wash their hands of their mistaken views just because Zionist Dems lost 2024 (which was like, 40% or higher!) and thus somehow are absolved of responsibility. I would like if at least someone would admit their views in 2024 were a result of propaganda and misguided.

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

That article conflates Zionist with Jewish.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No Harris did that along with the entire DNC.

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty much all major American politicians and media conflates Zionist with Jewish.

[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks to Israel. When they call any criticism antisemitism and parroted by all media this is what happens.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The war is not of his own making, it is Netanyahu getting his favourite dog to commit some of the atrocities for him.

[-] JoeMontayna@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

You see, there's this concept of time. And as time passes, variables change. It can explain a lot if you understand it.

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