I left reddit because they had an IPO, not because of the people.
I came to lemmy thinking it would be a space for old school pre corporate internet users. A place where people wanted to create something that was primarily leftist who wanted to work towards what we once had. Instead it was the opposite of that.
Lemmy seems like a place where people just want to recreate corporate spaces. People here don't want to change anything instead they want to solidify the stuff that already doesn't work. As long as you can sell these communities to advertisers then they're happy as can be.
Who is trying to sell a community on here?
This is just an observation and my opinion. My point is that this the past 10 years we've commercialized digital spaces for selling off to marketers and advertisers that it is now ingrained in how we create new spaces. Regardless if it is consciously or unconsciously. Lemmy is still new, but the behavior and rules and actions were recreated here.
The goal is to box everything. Everything in its box. Tightly controlled and and categorized. This way the space is ready to be sold. It sucks the air out of places. It leaves no room to build momentum or originality. But there's very safe.
I don't really know how a Reddit-like alternative would have to present and function to you in order for you to not consider it compromised in such a way.
I don't even know precisely what you mean by "boxxed" in this context.
That's the problem. You don't know. To me it is obvious. But to you everything is fine so why change it. Lemmy shouldn't be a reddit like alternative.
I see this place as one of the last spaces for leftist. If this fails it's kind of over for the left.
But let me ask, are you still on reddit? If you left, what made you leave.
That’s the problem. You don’t know. To me it is obvious. But to you everything is fine so why change it. Lemmy shouldn’t be a reddit like alternative.
I mean structurally. I'm still not sure what you're getting at here.
And I never said the Threadiverse is perfect (I'm not using Lemmy by the way).
Are you still on reddit? If you left, what made you leave.
I still use Reddit. It has the audience for many niches topics that the Threadiverse simply doesn't have.
So structurally I don't have an answer other than I know that what reddit became is a cancer. Structurally lemmy should find ways to counter commercialization
. One way is to avoid boxes. Communities should be more random and chaotic.
I also would push that mods should take a back seat and give back control to communities to upvote and downvotes content they do not want to see.
Recreate what was fun about the internet before the facebook's and Instagram came. It should be pro community but hostile to capitalization.
So structurally I don’t have an answer other than I know that what reddit became is a cancer. Structurally lemmy should find ways to counter commercialization
By design it already has done this via having no specific singular owner being able to control it.
. One way is to avoid boxes. Communities should be more random and chaotic.
I feel like this up to community owners. You can't make people run communities how they don't want to to bring about a specific vibe you want.
I also would push to the mods should take a back seat and give back control to communities to upvote and downvotes content they do not want to see.
This has the potential to make many communities complete rubbish. I will use a Reddit example. Take r/metal. Without any moderation, the community would be nothing but nothing but posts of Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer, etc forever. Because people just upvote music they already know, all the highly popular artists are always upvoted by people who pass by the subreddit. The moderators, in conjunction with the community implemented a popular artist blacklist (voted on in threads and updated every quarter) to stop that and provide much better coverage for lesser-known bands making it a much more valuable, less low-effort community. That's just one example I can immediately appeal to here.
Without curation, many communities would degrade over time and become slop.
Not true for me.
I made a joke, and someone got upset. I explained that I didn’t mean it seriously and apologized. Then they told me they were in a bad mood and apologized for their reaction.
ffs, Lemmy's strength is in it's decentralised non corpo design, not that we users are a better quality of human. It went from Usenet, to the centralised shitiness of Reddit back to a decentralised system in Lemmy/Piefed more akin to Usenet
but, I'd also argue just by being here you're a better person.
but, I'd also argue just by being here you're a better person
Look, Lemmy is a little better than other social media. But, that's taking it a bit too far. What social media a person uses says very little about their morals.
What social media a person uses says very little about their morals.
Yes. Obviously their choices of operating systems and text editors are the largest factors.
Lol
I left reddit because of them imposing their cronenbergian UX on me.
the point is lemmy is ours, not some psycho billionaire's.
Ik. Ik. I like that.
I was talking about the userbase.
Still love Lemmy. Despite its flaws, It's still the best one out there.
I’d rather hang with these shitty people over here than those shitty people over there.
Fair. Atleast there's good looking Android apps for this one.
Lemmy was never going to be a better community than reddit, because it's still redditors leaving reddit to come here. People were the problem with reddit, people are the problem with Lemmy.
That was always a given.
Excellent unpopular opinion that I disagree with! Good post for here :3
On Reddit, I was CONSTANTLY annoyed in every thread.
Award edits: annoying.
Talking about awards and upvotes: annoying.
Spamming subreddits as hashtags: annoying. Rehashing the same phrase/joke over and over again: annoying.
Fake stories in all top subreddits in /all/ used as creative writing before LLMs made even being CREATIVE obsolete yet the site was clogged with bullshit and hundreds (if not thousands) of people responding as if the stories are real: annoying.
(More recently, as of when I left Reddit when the API change was made) Majority of people bots or astroturfers/shills/etc: annoying.
I constantly was shitting in comments and people on Reddit because so many comments were just… so… horribly… stupid! Asinine! Coming from a history of communities of folks that, while being overtly overwhelmingly dumb/offensive, were at least original or creative (IRC/Usenet/LUE/SA/b/specific forums) in their commenting and posts, near the end of Reddit’s life I felt like I had to dig through more oceans of shit to find a tiny gold nugget than I did when I was heavy into /b/ in the early-to-mid 2000s.
I find that Lemmy threads have an expectantly smaller quantity of idiots, rehashed ‘clever’ one-liners in every thread, ‘creative’ writing that isn’t creative in the slightest, and overall garbage commenters. Better shitposters, more furries, better grammar, and more organic stuff overall.
That’s my opinion, anyway. Your post has a lot of downvotes for a “popular” “unpopular opinion” post here which tells me you’ve posted a good one hahaha. I do agree with some of what you’ve said—I’d like some places I can post and read some more crunchy-ass shit. Not stuff like being racist “as a joke”, but with the way the fediverse is, I’d like some NSFL stuff and places where people can be free to be more crude or whatnot. Lemmy is very “safe”, which is healthy for a lot of folks. Overall though, I’ll take “safe” over “enragingly annoying everywhere” hahaha
Reddit has a perverse incentive to keep the user base frothing for engagement
There is no such incentive on Lemmy. We are toxic because we choose to be. All natural, free range, grassroots haters
The userbase is largely overlapping as most Lemmy users are current or former Reddit users. The difference is largely in the communities and moderation, not users...
Well I don’t think we’re on here to appease you so shrug.
I don't use Lemmy much anymore nowadays because of this. While it's important an alternative to Reddit exists, so I try to support it, it ironically feels more like a hivemind than Reddit does (ironic because you'd expect the opposite for federated services). I think it's because switching to Lemmy from Reddit requires either idealism or a Reddit ban, both of which disproportionately attract people who feel good when they verbally attack internet strangers for disagreeing with them on 1% of the implicitly agreed upon joint viewpoints. It also strangely reminds me of the feeling I got being part of an old gaming community that was slowly dying out, where eventually only the unpleasant ones who defined their identity based on it were left.
I'm always happy to see there are also people here who dislike this attitude, though, or even to see neutral posts. There is still hope!
Reading all the comments here venting about bad expereince and here I am just having a blast on Lemmy with a the nice interactions! :D
Lemmy is hostile to nazis. Reddit coddles them.
The Lemmy userbase is human, which is more than I can say of Reddit's.
The internet is and always has been toxic. At least on lemmy, there's some people who remember what trolling is and recognize it. On reddit and the other platforms, the traditional internetisms are non-existent. People seem to be born yesterday. They have no concept of trolling or flamebait and the like. They take everything at face value and respond to bait with naivety.
Why should it be better? It's not like reddit admins made reddit community what it is, the users did. And Lemmy is mostly former(and quite a bit even current) reddit users who left not because they thought it was a bad place but because reddit admins forced them to either by banning their preferred app or by banning them.
The idea that contrarianism is somehow interaction is similar.
I've frequently had people start replies with "I strongly disagree" and then proceed to say the same thing as my comment back at me.
Some people are just fighting a war in their own head.
Most people are here because we were perma-banned from reddit. So basically all the worst people from Reddit come here 😄
You say that as if Reddit only bans people who actually suck, rather than people who upvote luigi memes and criticize israel
Yeah yeah I know, Lemmy is also full of all the logical, free-thinking, outspoken people who reddit wanted to silence.
Idk I kinda like it here. Everybody uses linux in this place.
Lemmy is about 10000% less facebook normie. I don't care if it's the same amount of toxic, that's already a massive improvement.
Imo it's quite alright if you avoid certain instances and comms where a lot of infighting happens. There's a lot less karma whoring/raging compared to what I've seen back in the reddit days, and plenty of people who can have a reasonable conversation if you're not too confrontational. Bad interactions happen but that's something you'll always see when many people with vastly different opinions are involved.
I would go so far as to say it may be worse.
For example, there are certain people on Lemmy who hold very strong opinions on subjects and try to shoehorn in that opinion even where it is not appreciated. There are even more of those sorts of people on Reddit, but they are diluted by a much larger user base that knows how to act right.
Sure, there are those kind of users, but have you tried Linux at all?
People are people, wherever you go. People are flawed. There are many good reasons to leave reddit for lemmy.
I don't know why one would expect Lemmy to be different when it's entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.
I don't think there's much difference between platforms. Everyone is performing to either get pats on the back or to stirr up something. The moment everyone around you seems nice is when you've entered the echo chamber.
No, they’re not. The hivemind isn’t as bad. But there’s brigading of sorts, plenty of trolls, circlejerking, bad mods, and bad faith arguing.
I mean, that’s pretty much the internet in general, just reddit’s got much more of it by the numbers.
I'm sure it's already been said a few times, but with few exceptions Lemmy/mbin/etc. users ARE redditors, or recently former redditors who, for historical and practical reasons, are more likely to be interested in
While that applies to me to varying degrees, I must acknowledge that it means we're probably sometimes going to be difficult and slow to assume good faith. I try not to be that way, it's the only thing I can do. I think the left wing politics/parapolitics is better than the usual right wing variety that was common on other reddit alternatives, but that's my bias.
I accidentally posted a link to some right wing borderline racist article which sounded sensible on first skim reading it. Commentators noted this. I apologized for not reading it carefully or noticing the other associated articles and the other Lemmy users were understanding. Just my experience but I think a nicer atmosphere prevails.
I mean yeah there's gonna be toxic people everywhere. I thought that was a given?
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