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[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago

French President Emmanuel Macron is calling on medium-sized powers to join forces and stand up to the US and China.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 week ago

Europe being hostile towards China isn't exactly news though. It's the break up of the Atlantic alliance that's the real story.

[-] MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Is Europe's hostility towards China not a function of US hegemony? Surely there's less reason to be hostile now.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In a sane world yes, but in reality there's a lot of racism and notions of white supremacy at play here.

[-] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

It is more than "racism and notions of white supremacy", EU and China are both exporting and manufacturing powers. China recently moved into exporting the high value manufacturing products like cars which are a large part of the EUs economy making both blocks rivals.

The Chinese government is using state subsidies to tip the balance further in the favour of Chinese manufacturers. This is just one example from one industry, this pattern is repeated by China across the board. The government is well within its rights to do this but the EU is equally well within its rights to protect its own economy from a form of trade war. It is incredibly reductive to just play the racism card while ignoring the real issues.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

EU is not really an export power in any meaningful sense. But even if that was true, you could make exact same argument with the US which directly competes with Europe on exports. Europeans have had absolutely no problem sticking their heads up American ass as far as possible.

Meanwhile, everybody is free to run their internal economy the way they see fit. The whole premise of free markets and capitalism was efficiency. It was supposed to naturally outcompete planned economies like China. If the model isn't actually working then Europe could acknowledge that and emulate what China is doing instead of whinging. Or accept that they have an inferior model of economic development.

Finally, the EU very obviously doesn't give a fuck about protecting its economy. If it did, it would've never allowed itself to become so dependent on energy imports from the US. The EU kept paying lip service to the idea of going green, but refused to invest into stuff like wind and solar because it came from China. Now the EU finds itself being bent over a barrel by Americans. And it's frankly well deserved.

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[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

There's the whole democracy thing.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

In that China is one and Europe isn't, you mean?

[-] MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago
[-] drastic133@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

It is an important distinction though, because standing up to US might imply leaning towards China. But standing up to US and China, implies a third option: Europe need to huddle up together.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Not really sure how that works in practice given that Europe isn't exactly self sufficient, especially in terms of energy.

[-] drastic133@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I was only commenting on the semantic distinction of the two, not the viability of Europe superiority - though beating Murica these days can't be impossible.

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[-] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

He should ask the last group of countries that strove to be neutral between the USA and a second large power how well that worked for them.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

“Our objective is not to be the vassals of two hegemonic powers,” he told students in Seoul. “We don’t want to depend on the dominance, let’s say on China, or we don’t want to be too much exposed to the unpredictability of the US.”

European countries, he said, have a shared agenda with places like Japan and South Korea on issues like international law, democracy, climate change and global health.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

we don’t want to be too much exposed to the unpredictability of the US.”

The war with Iran was announced in 2001. The unpredictability of the US is that it took them so long.

[-] drastic133@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

US being at war is fairly predictable, tbh.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 13 points 1 week ago

"and China." How is France's manufacturing infrastructure?

[-] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Don't underestimate L'oreal industries...

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Finally someone says it.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Macron - a true american hero for saying out loud what most people think.

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